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Jan 17, 2012 at 5:15 PM Post #3,661 of 41,153


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Jan 17, 2012 at 5:25 PM Post #3,663 of 41,153
What kind of magic SA5000 with actual bass extension did you get your hands on?  That was my my number one complaint with them.  They were pretty awesome otherwise.


they actually reached down pretty well around 30hz. i noticed more of them start to have a good roll off from 50hz is where it started for me. have to have a good seal. it could be possible like lot headphones he tests has trouble to get a good seal especially since the drivers are angled. also don't he take lot of compensations cause he uses full out head dummy and torso? i could be wrong but, at same listening level down to the sub-bass area it was audible to me nicely, but will admit since they seem like complete open design with not much bracing or dampening they will tend to make a slight rattle when trying to dig down to the sub-bass. they're bass is fine to me personally though.
 
Jan 17, 2012 at 5:32 PM Post #3,664 of 41,153
Very nice, Hawaiianbeer.
I've always wondered whether a thing such as the DA11 is worth it. Shouldn't it be possible to achieve similar imaging effects with the use of DSPs?
 
Jan 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM Post #3,665 of 41,153
I would think so.  I have played with the V200 and the Da11 and the imaging and I could hear the difference whether I tried the image centered or wider.  But I don't know much about this topic.  I think the Realizer would be really good for that because it can be used as a DAC and has the power all in one but only excepts digital through HDMI input.  Sillysally has one you might want to check with him about the Realizer.  Realizer isn't cheap either...$$$$$
 
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Very nice, Hawaiianbeer.
I've always wondered whether a thing such as the DA11 is worth it. Shouldn't it be possible to achieve similar imaging effects with the use of DSPs?



 
 
Jan 17, 2012 at 6:04 PM Post #3,668 of 41,153


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It was released in 2009. The first half is scanned from his original work. The 2nd half is an English translation. From Wikipedia: Quote:
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Main article: Red Book (Jung)
In 1913 at the age of thirty-eight, Jung experienced a horrible "confrontation with the unconscious". He saw visions and heard voices. He worried at times that he was "menaced by a psychosis" or was "doing a schizophrenia." He decided that it was valuable experience, and in private, he induced hallucinations, or, in his words, "active imaginations." He recorded everything he felt in small journals. Jung began to transcribe his notes into a large, red leather-bound book, on which he worked intermittently for sixteen years.[8]
Jung left no posthumous instructions about the final disposition of what he called the "Red Book". His family eventually moved it into a bank vault in 1984. Sonu Shamdasani, a historian from London, for three years tried to persuade Jung's heirs to have it published, to which they declined every hint of inquiry. As of mid-September 2009, fewer than two dozen people had seen it. Ulrich Hoerni, Jung's grandson who manages the Jung archives, decided to publish it. To raise the additional funds needed, the Philemon Foundation was founded.[8]
In 2007, two technicians for DigitalFusion, working with the publisher, W. W. Norton & Company, painstakingly scanned one-tenth of a millimeter at a time with a 10,200-pixel scanner. It was published on October 7, 2009 (ISBN 978-0-393-06567-1) in German with "separate English translation along with Shamdasani's introduction and footnotes" at the back of the book, according to Sara Corbett for The New York Times. She wrote, "The book is bombastic, baroque and like so much else about Carl Jung, a willful oddity, synched with an antediluvian and mystical reality."[8]
The Rubin Museum of Art in New York City displayed the original Red Book journal, as well as some of Jung's original small journals, from October 7, 2009 to January 25, 2010.[42] According to them, "During the period in which he worked on this book Jung developed his principal theories of archetypes, collective unconscious, and the process of individuation." Two-thirds of the pages bear Jung's illuminations of the text.[42]

 
2009, that explains it. I missed it by more than 20 years.
 
Jan 17, 2012 at 6:22 PM Post #3,669 of 41,153
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they actually reached down pretty well around 30hz. i noticed more of them start to have a good roll off from 50hz is where it started for me. have to have a good seal. it could be possible like lot headphones he tests has trouble to get a good seal especially since the drivers are angled. also don't he take lot of compensations cause he uses full out head dummy and torso? i could be wrong but, at same listening level down to the sub-bass area it was audible to me nicely, but will admit since they seem like complete open design with not much bracing or dampening they will tend to make a slight rattle when trying to dig down to the sub-bass. they're bass is fine to me personally though.


The gray curves on the bottom are raw data form different positions and none of them have much deep bass.  The top is averaged and compensated with the independent of direction HRTF.  He tests them for a good seal by watching the 30Hz square waves while positioning them on the dummy head.
 
I never got anything near that low with my pair.  The level of the bass before it falls off a cliff is fine and you don't always need tons of extension but I had lots of tracks that were nearly missing their drums and bass guitars when played through the SA5000.  It didn't react well when I tried to EQ up the bass below about 80Hz or so where it starts to roll off.  Though open dynamics never get ruler straight to DC like planars can there are plenty of other open dynamics without such a steep roll off.
 
I really did like the rest of the sound though...
 
Jan 17, 2012 at 7:56 PM Post #3,670 of 41,153
Jan 17, 2012 at 10:59 PM Post #3,672 of 41,153


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These were the best posts that I've ever encountered here in terms of the quality of their content. 
 



 
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Jan 18, 2012 at 2:52 AM Post #3,675 of 41,153
Well hey, if you're feeling burdened by it, you can always send it my way! 
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 Nice little station though! I miss my SR80i's sometimes.
 
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I think I own too much for a college student... >.> (With a Grado HF2 incoming)
 
 



 
 

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