[dazzerfong]

  hey guys..
 
first sorry my language is bad as hell and try to understand me =)
 
i have HD700 with modi 2 + magni 2, and omg the treble make my ear's bleeding so sharp, and i have no details and when i play some games not good enough to position enemy .
 
and i reed in the internet that tube amp will be best for HD700 and i have no idea about sound equipment and amps' / dac's .
 
what i need is amp + dac that drive my HD700 perfectly fine and make the details come to live and make gaming experience better and make soundstage better for movies ..
 
i usually watch movies and play pc games and i listen to general music 
 
what is your suggestion
 
now i have 600$, and i can go like 400$ now and next month another 400$ but for the best if there's any amp and dac good to wait for it 
 
do i need to buy new amp now and get dac after i have my cash again or you're suggest combo dac/amp for 600$ now !

Tubes can only do so much: if you make it sound like your ears are bleeding, get a new pair of headphones or EQ.

 

[36aMAN]

Tubes can only do so much: if you make it sound like your ears are bleeding, get a new pair of headphones or EQ.

when i said make my ear bleeding i mean the trable is like knife in my ear

and friend told me that tube amp will make trable better then ss amp

 

[DavidA]

  hey guys..
 
first sorry my language is bad as hell and try to understand me =)
 
i have HD700 with modi 2 + magni 2, and omg the treble make my ear's bleeding so sharp, and i have no details and when i play some games not good enough to position enemy .
 
and i reed in the internet that tube amp will be best for HD700 and i have no idea about sound equipment and amps' / dac's .
 
what i need is amp + dac that drive my HD700 perfectly fine and make the details come to live and make gaming experience better and make soundstage better for movies ..
 
i usually watch movies and play pc games and i listen to general music 
 
what is your suggestion
 
now i have 600$, and i can go like 400$ now and next month another 400$ but for the best if there's any amp and dac good to wait for it 
 
do i need to buy new amp now and get dac after i have my cash again or you're suggest combo dac/amp for 600$ now !

If you want good sound stage then a Lyr2 with some warmer tubes would be my suggestion, will give best positional audio but the treble is not as tamed/smoothed out as the BH Crack IMO.
 
If you care more about the overall sound then I would go with a BH Crack and decent tubes, postitional audio is not quite as good as the Lyr2 but the treble is smoother and not harsh.
 
Between the above two amps I like my Ember as a good compromise between them.
 
Start with the amp first since I think it will influence the sound a little more than a DAC, you might also want to try some EQ

 

[36aMAN]

  If you want good sound stage then a Lyr2 with some warmer tubes would be my suggestion, will give best positional audio but the treble is not as tamed/smoothed out as the BH Crack IMO.
 
If you care more about the overall sound then I would go with a BH Crack and decent tubes, postitional audio is not quite as good as the Lyr2 but the treble is smoother and not harsh.
 
Between the above two amps I like my Ember as a good compromise between them.
 
Start with the amp first since I think it will influence the sound a little more than a DAC, you might also want to try some EQ

thanks for the replay 
 
i feel good to go with LYR 2 but my main problem is the headphone is bright as hell with modi2+magni2 and not that much of details and soundstage  , so is it will be bright even with LYR 2 ?, because i heard that it will be good with tube amp and specifically with LYR 2 
 
what about the dac will it make sound deffrenant !
 
i mean what is the dac that will be good enough for most high end headphones ? 
 
i'm thinking to bought LYR 2 first and after i have some $ i'll buy the Bifrost !
 
what do you think !

 

[gibosi]

Like others who have posted here, I seriously doubt that different amps, DACs, cables or other similar changes will adequately address the problem you are having with the HD700. I have an all-tube headphone amp - rectifier, driver and output tubes - and after a year of rolling through hundreds of tubes, I was unable to successfully tame the brightness to my satisfaction.
 
I think you have only two viable options. Either buy a different set of headphones or modify the HD700 (per Takato14).

 

[SomeGuyDude]

Something about these has always fascinated me. I'll have a pair here in about 3 hours, very excited to try them...
 
For the record, my daily drivers have been the DT990s, and if those don't sound too sharp to me I figure these definitely won't.

 

[XSAMURAI]

  hey guys..
 
first sorry my language is bad as hell and try to understand me =)
 
i have HD700 with modi 2 + magni 2, and omg the treble make my ear's bleeding so sharp, and i have no details and when i play some games not good enough to position enemy .
 
and i reed in the internet that tube amp will be best for HD700 and i have no idea about sound equipment and amps' / dac's .
 
what i need is amp + dac that drive my HD700 perfectly fine and make the details come to live and make gaming experience better and make soundstage better for movies ..
 
i usually watch movies and play pc games and i listen to general music 
 
what is your suggestion
 
now i have 600$, and i can go like 400$ now and next month another 400$ but for the best if there's any amp and dac good to wait for it 
 
do i need to buy new amp now and get dac after i have my cash again or you're suggest combo dac/amp for 600$ now !

 
i'm using hd700 about 3 years now and i tried many many many amp , i own ( schiit products ) modi , modi 2 , vali , magni 2 , lyr 2 so i know what you saying about the treble edge , my suggestion keep your modi 2 becouse its decent dac with very good performance but for the amp you have other choice , for the budget you mention the best amp in the class is ifi ican se , compare to magni 2 , less brightness , there is no any harshness in highs , overall sound is smooth , excellent imaging , precise mids , sound stage with 3d option is fantastic , and xbass is move hd700 to another level , details and micro details is amazing , overall presentation is smooth , and the way hd700 should sound , performance is beyond ! but later you can change your dac to somthing with more musical presentation ( you should try different dac to find your preferences ) , this is the best amp you can buy to date on this price range .. IMO...

 

[Me x3]

  thank you for the replay 
 
i ask about akg k7xx and i have told to stay with my hd700 and buy good dac/amp better then akg 7xx .
 
what do you think ?
 
i don't want to sell my lovely HD700 i enjoy listing to it but i just want bigger soundstage and more details and better treble even the bass with modi 2 & magni 2 is enough for me i think it balance with movies it's good for me.

AKG K7XX is a bassier, less refined and cheaper version of the K712
 
K712 vs HD700 here
http://www.head-fi.org/products/akg-k712-pro/reviews/13204
 
MM2 is a good DAC/Amp
As suggested above you can go Lyr2 and use warm tubes, or you can EQ with a quality parametric equalizer, or go Takato's route modding the headphone, these are all good advices.
In my experience, if you want a different sound, getting a different headphone is most of the times the most straight forward, clean and not that expensive way of getting it.
Differences among headphones are normally bigger than differences among amplifiers.

 

[SomeGuyDude]

Okay so um... within a minute of wearing these... they're the most comfortable headphones I've ever worn. 
 
Coming from the DT 990's they're plenty potent. More impressions down the line...

 

[SomeGuyDude]

Nnngh, they're so sexy...

 

[psonoda]

thank you for the replay 

i ask about akg k7xx and i have told to stay with my hd700 and buy good dac/amp better then akg 7xx .

what do you think ?

i don't want to sell my lovely HD700 i enjoy listing to it but i just want bigger soundstage and more details and better treble even the bass with modi 2 & magni 2 is enough for me i think it balance with movies it's good for me.

I also have the k7xx. It sounds warmer but less acurate. Also, I do not think the k7xx scales as well as the HD700. To be fair, I have not tried the k7xx balanced. (Not sure if that is possible).

I also have the Schiit stack, however I have the Vali which I think does a better job on the HD700 than the magni.

Look for a better amplifier match for the HD700. I think the difference will be worth it.

 

[dazzerfong]

Of course you're talking about the treble, it's been a common complaint.

Be realistic with your DAC/amp selection. The difference is small at best: I strongly suggest you go to a store and try out some stuff before dumping even more money I to a problem that shouldn't happen in the first place.

 

[SomeGuyDude]

Using a Vali with the hd700 myself. To be honest... quite impressed!

 

[36aMAN]

  If you want good sound stage then a Lyr2 with some warmer tubes would be my suggestion, will give best positional audio but the treble is not as tamed/smoothed out as the BH Crack IMO.
 
If you care more about the overall sound then I would go with a BH Crack and decent tubes, postitional audio is not quite as good as the Lyr2 but the treble is smoother and not harsh.
 
Between the above two amps I like my Ember as a good compromise between them.
 
Start with the amp first since I think it will influence the sound a little more than a DAC, you might also want to try some EQ

ok let's not talking about treble because it HD700 problem and ill try modding the drivers to make treble less.
 
what if i want postitional audio + a lot of details " every detail that can HD700 take" + soundstage for movies and games " my main reason to buy HD700 " is that the LYR 2 will make the job for me ? if yes can you suggest good warmer tubes to take with it ?

 

[36aMAN]

  Like others who have posted here, I seriously doubt that different amps, DACs, cables or other similar changes will adequately address the problem you are having with the HD700. I have an all-tube headphone amp - rectifier, driver and output tubes - and after a year of rolling through hundreds of tubes, I was unable to successfully tame the brightness to my satisfaction.
 
I think you have only two viable options. Either buy a different set of headphones or modify the HD700 (per Takato14).

ok i'm gonna modify it, and buy LYR 2 with warmer tubes is that good to take all that details can HD700 do and soundstage and posotional audio !