RSA SR71b, quad mono balanced. img. 1 & 17 Review pg 32, 34, 68, UPDATED 4/2013 for Improved sound.
Jul 22, 2010 at 8:08 AM Post #76 of 1,194
Have they made a portable audio rig linked to a jetpack yet?  That would be perfect for the daily commute.
 
 
Jul 22, 2010 at 8:24 AM Post #77 of 1,194
 
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I thought someone demo'd a digitally-licensed LOD setup at Canjam, not sure if this is it. But it could just be an iMod/diyMod cap dock/balanced adapter too.


Yep, here's the prototype AlgoRhythm from Cypher Labs as demo'd at CanJam. It is a licensed Apple device that is able to pull the digital stream from iDevices.
 
As far as I know, it outputs single ended only. No balanced output.
 

 
Jul 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM Post #78 of 1,194
Jul 22, 2010 at 1:46 PM Post #79 of 1,194
 

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I think members making new product announcements on behalf of manufacturers is cheesy.

 
 
I actually haven't seen an official product announcement from Ray on head-fi.  He only posted to his website and if Jamato hadn't posted here, I wouldn't have even known about this product.  Most people don't keep checking the manufacturers website that often, but visit head-fi almost daily :)
 
Regardless, it's nice to know about what's out there as soon as possible, be it from any source. 
 
Jul 22, 2010 at 2:40 PM Post #80 of 1,194


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ibasso has a balanced dac, I assume Ray you are using the same connector again?



It would be interesting to use a source such as an H140's optical, send it through ibasso's balanced DAC, and send it to the SR71b. 
 
I cringe to think of the array of required adapter cables and reterminations needed to make this work. 
 
Jul 22, 2010 at 3:21 PM Post #81 of 1,194
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It would be interesting to use a source such as an H140's optical, send it through ibasso's balanced DAC, and send it to the SR71b. 


If it's the same implementation as the Protector, I don't think it will make a difference coming from a true balanced source or SE.
 
 
Jul 22, 2010 at 3:37 PM Post #82 of 1,194


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If it's the same implementation as the Protector, I don't think it will make a difference coming from a true balanced source or SE.
 


Jim, it is fully balanced all the way through from input to output, that is if a TRUE balanced source was used.
It is balanced at output, just like the Protector, if single ended source , like iPod, is used.
Ray Samuels

 
 
Jul 22, 2010 at 4:23 PM Post #83 of 1,194
Again, I must ask:  What are some examples of a 'true balanced' source?  Is the idea to be able to use this new SR-71B in ones home rig, wired balanced in/out, and then take it on the road 'a la' The Protector?
As a newbie to all of this I'm just trying to learn what's out there and how different people use (or intend to use) their equipment to optimize both sound quality and minimize budget.
Are there any portable source devices that offer a true balanced output?
 
Jul 22, 2010 at 4:54 PM Post #85 of 1,194


 
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Sounds pretty good in my systems. *shrug*
You should listen to one.



I could convert an apple into an orange with a little spray paint and some carving, but it wouldn't be a true orange.
 
You can't make a true balanced signal from a single ended signal. You can create a pseudo balanced signal, but it's not a true balanced signal. For a true balanced signal you need to start with a true balanced signal. And that was my point. It might sound great, but it's not a true balanced signal, and really what's the point in a portable system?
 
Can anyone explain to me what is hoped to be gained with a balanced portable system? And I thought the main objective of a portable system was to be portable. If I'm missing something please enlighten me.
 
Jul 22, 2010 at 6:41 PM Post #86 of 1,194
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Jim, it is fully balanced all the way through from input to output, that is if a TRUE balanced source was used.
It is balanced at output, just like the Protector, if single ended source , like iPod, is used.
Ray Samuels
 


Thanks for the input & clarification Ray.
 
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I could convert an apple into an orange with a little spray paint and some carving, but it wouldn't be a true orange.
 
You can't make a true balanced signal from a single ended signal. You can create a pseudo balanced signal, but it's not a true balanced signal. For a true balanced signal you need to start with a true balanced signal. And that was my point. It might sound great, but it's not a true balanced signal, and really what's the point in a portable system?
 
Can anyone explain to me what is hoped to be gained with a balanced portable system? And I thought the main objective of a portable system was to be portable. If I'm missing something please enlighten me.


But an orange will never taste like an apple, and to claim so would be a lie. Perhaps a more apt fruit analogy is a hybrid apple made of two distinct purebred types. It contains some of the best qualities of it's parents, without some of their downsides. The implementation of balanced output in the Protector is not a secret, and discussed at length in several threads on Head-Fi.
 
Now I couldn't comprehensively define who would use such an amp, nor every use case. People are so varied in their needs & willingness to go the extra mile in a portable system. Not to mention what "portable" really means to them. Some people will carry a large-ish camera case filled with source, amp, cables, & full-sized headphones, while some people don't want more than a Clip & a pair of IEMs or 'buds. Some people just want something to walk around the streets with, while some people need a high-quality setup for their best headphones to transport to the office, or onto the deck with a mint julip. For me, I simply happened to really like the sound of the balanced HD650's with the Protector when I heard it. The ability to convert my SE home source meant I didn't have to purchase a new one to enjoy that sound. I also had an amp that could sit next to my source & not take up another shelf - pretty cool. It also runs on DC power, off the grid. The fact that I could get the same drive using an iPod or other SE source is a great feature, imo. At the moment, I'm using the Protector at work in a single-ended configuration, but it's nice to have the option of balanced drive.
 
I've never heard a set of balanced IEM's, so I couldn't say for sure that there is a benefit to such a configuration. But there are more than a few here on Head-Fi that have & believe there is a benefit. Again, the ability to get the benefit from a high-quality, but (more ubiquitous) single-ended portable source is a cool thing. For those people, they have a portable amp (now two) to satisfy their needs.
 
It seems that your criticisms of the Protector and the SR71b stem more from a theoretical  place, rather than hearing the amp. Engineering can come up with many good, but different solutions to a problem. Few designs meet the needs of everyone. Just look at the variety of cameras, or phones, or cars, or...well, you get the idea. I think the Protector & the SR71b meet the needs of a segment of portable headphone listeners. More importantly, it sounds great, and is made really well. Having lifetime support from the maker is nothing to sneeze at either. Again, I invite you to listen to one. My guess is that it will drive a pair of Thunderpants pretty well (just a guess, though). If you don't like the result, that's fine too. But dismissing something based on prejudices is doing yourself a disservice, imo.
 
Jul 22, 2010 at 9:43 PM Post #88 of 1,194
So, with Ray's new amp, what would be the most noticeable sonic benefit using a true balanced source with balanced cans compared to a single-ended source with balanced cans?
 

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