[crinacle]

This question has probably been asked, but I'll ask it anyway: can you expand on the comparison between the M80 and the HD25, more particularly in the midrange? Thanks.

 

[Armaegis]

The M80 midrange is more pronounced (compared to the slightly recessed mids of the HD25-1-ii) and along with that comes a better sense of soundstage. The transition from zone to zone also feels smoother. The HD25 goes from a kicking bass to a slightly laid back mid, then spikes up in the highs. The M80 bass-mid transition is very smooth and the mids maintain a bit more energy. The mid-high transition is a bit fuzzy in my opinion and loses a touch of detail but doesn't spike like the HD25 which can be piercing for some. 

 

[musicfreak4000]

Should I buy the hd25-1 ii from amazon, they go for 175 but on the Sennheiser site they sell for 300 are they legit if I buy from amazon or are they fake.

 

[Armaegis]

The $300 is the MSRP... $175 is a perfectly reasonable price to find them. Prices typically range from $160-200.

 

[musicfreak4000]

What does msrp mean.

 

[musicfreak4000]

never mind lol

 

[WakiDabeast]

how would you compare the bass of the hdj2000 to the ms400, is it punchier and less slow i want something more toward  m50 puncuation rather than lets say tma-1 or ms400. 

 

[Armaegis]

Neither is particularly punchy, though I'd say the HDJ-2000 has a bit more. I think the MS300 has more punch than both of them. 

 

[WakiDabeast]

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Neither is particularly punchy, though I'd say the HDJ-2000 has a bit more. I think the MS300 has more punch than both of them. 

pooop :/ i loved the M50's amount of punch, not like super short, but still controlled, the MS400 was just like a slow wave of bass, relaxing. I want a smaller headphones, toward M50 sound, with less aggressive treble. I was also considering the D1100, V-moda LP2, and maybe even hd 449. 

 

[Armaegis]

If you don't mind the clamping force, an HD25-1-ii with a felt disk replacing the foam in front of the driver would suit well. Or the HD25-13-ii which has less treble bite.
 
Have you ever tried the MS300?

 

[WakiDabeast]

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If you don't mind the clamping force, an HD25-1-ii with a felt disk replacing the foam in front of the driver would suit well. Or the HD25-13-ii which has less treble bite.
 
Have you ever tried the MS300?

nope, I mean the HD25 is great for me but I'd like a bit more of a musical sound, so slightly less treble, and more relaxed sound, but not excessively so. How would you compare the M50 and M80 and MS400? I was thinking something like an ms400 with punchier bass. From what I heard MS300 is like the closed Grado can, I don't like sibilance :/

 

[Armaegis]

frequency response: M50 is V-shaped, M80 is mostly flat with mild bass hump, MS400 bass hump then slopes down at the treble
 
I'm personally not a huge fan of the M50 which to me lacks mids and is what loses much of its "musicality". The M80 and MS400 are more balanced in that regard. What the M50 has more of is bass thump and some treble spikes for energy. The M80 really doesn't have spikes and is almost a bit fuzzy in the treble. The MS400 tends to have dips rather than spikes which makes for a very relaxed tone.
 
I find the MS300 hits harder than the MS400, and it does indeed feel like a closed Grado in terms of energy, but it retains the Phiaton house signature of reduced treble, so no sibilance to my ears.

 

[WakiDabeast]

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frequency response: M50 is V-shaped, M80 is mostly flat with mild bass hump, MS400 bass hump then slopes down at the treble
 
I'm personally not a huge fan of the M50 which to me lacks mids and is what loses much of its "musicality". The M80 and MS400 are more balanced in that regard. What the M50 has more of is bass thump and some treble spikes for energy. The M80 really doesn't have spikes and is almost a bit fuzzy in the treble. The MS400 tends to have dips rather than spikes which makes for a very relaxed tone.
 
I find the MS300 hits harder than the MS400, and it does indeed feel like a closed Grado in terms of energy, but it retains the Phiaton house signature of reduced treble, so no sibilance to my ears.

hmm so i guess i gotta add the ms300 into the mix, and which suffixes a light bass head more the m80 or ms300? Cause I will take anything from a mild bass hump (including a lot of thump) to extreme bass head
 

 

[Armaegis]

The M80 will satisfy basshead needs moreso than the MS300. 

 

[WakiDabeast]

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The M80 will satisfy basshead needs moreso than the MS300. 

hmm right now i can't choose with all my choices XD i think ill just wait for the m100 XD