Resistance of cables; pics, comments, and links
Aug 1, 2020 at 12:49 PM Post #301 of 407
i got this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001034698284.html 4 cores, 2 cores of same wire than yours, 2 cores of silver plated UP-OCC, 3.5mm plug. it will be cable number 184.
yours, 8 cores of gold+0.2%palladium electroplated copper, could be number 187, if you agree with adding it to the database.
i'm curious about the different resistance measurements, given all 8 cores are identical. maybe you got 4 cores of a kind and 4 cores of different kind?
please add... Glad to help...
yes, mine is 8 core... if I see by naked eyes, seem all 8 is the same pale Gold... but you can be also right, that inside is different..

the Right side seems off quite marginal.. already try using 2 pin to MMCX.. the result not too different.
Sound wise, compare to other cable that I bought, this one is definitely a keeper from beginning....
Dark cable that focus on vocal...
dont mind about the Mid Bass and also not too wide Soundstage...
 
Aug 4, 2020 at 8:10 PM Post #302 of 407
How does the thickness and no.of cores affects the sound? Lets say they are 2 cables with the same material and resistance but with different no.of cores and diameter how would it affect the sound?
ie cable 1.more no. of core,smaller diameter vs cable 2. less no.of cores but larger diameter. If both cable have the same total resistance, would they sound identical?
 
Aug 5, 2020 at 12:42 PM Post #303 of 407
How does the thickness and no.of cores affects the sound? Lets say they are 2 cables with the same material and resistance but with different no.of cores and diameter how would it affect the sound?
ie cable 1.more no. of core,smaller diameter vs cable 2. less no.of cores but larger diameter. If both cable have the same total resistance, would they sound identical?
not much difference of sound, if any.
my guesses: Other considerations about capacitance, geometry, and isolation of cables
 
Aug 6, 2020 at 5:19 AM Post #305 of 407
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CEMA (prob) 187...
Alrd 100 Hours Burn in...

At first, this cable sound sig was very focus on Vocal clarity... in time, the a bit smooth Treble become open, still not as spark using pure Silver cable...
This cable is tends more to silver cable attribute...

The black background is comparable to LITZ cable...

edit : regarding the Jack 4.4, and Y-Spilter, wow CEMA really upgrade their quality, the grip, feeling and looks really Premium...
Unfortunately, the MMCX jack, was not better then my other CEMA cable... the MMCX connector felt really stiff... quite concerning if your IEM MMCX female is weak, just my thought...
 
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Aug 6, 2020 at 5:47 AM Post #306 of 407
Question about cable soldering. I've been taught to "spin" the wire cores into one tight wire before applying tin so only the tip of the inner cores will come into contact with the soldering tin. Is it better to tin the "inner cores" as well or the least contact with the tin is better?
 
Aug 24, 2020 at 11:06 AM Post #307 of 407
Hello guys! Im new in the forum and kinda new to audiophile things. I actually started some months ago in this world and i wanted to seek advice from you guys:
I bought a month ago a set of fearless audio s8 freedom, in the mail is comming this week a sony s55 walkman, and now im looking for an upgrade cable but i dont know which, i READ all of this thread (several times actually) but im just a musician and music lover, so the meassuring and electricity part is a mistery for me, i just want a better cable cause ive been told the fearless one isnt really good, im between this one: https://m.es.aliexpress.com/item/32...a8203140c170cba57-1598280124202-00533-_ePNSNV

And this one:
https://m.es.aliexpress.com/item/40...389742a9334e8a1fc-1598279808418-04865-_ePNSNV

I just wouldnt want to spend a lot of money in an 8core one when the caracteristics of my combo wont make a difference with a 4core one. But i would hate to spend some money and get a cable of similiar properties of the fearles audio one.
Thank you for taking the time to read and for any advises for a begginer fella!
 
Aug 24, 2020 at 11:24 AM Post #308 of 407
Hello guys! Im new in the forum and kinda new to audiophile things. I actually started some months ago in this world and i wanted to seek advice from you guys:
I bought a month ago a set of fearless audio s8 freedom, in the mail is comming this week a sony s55 walkman, and now im looking for an upgrade cable but i dont know which, i READ all of this thread (several times actually) but im just a musician and music lover, so the meassuring and electricity part is a mistery for me, i just want a better cable cause ive been told the fearless one isnt really good, im between this one: https://m.es.aliexpress.com/item/32887680475.html?trace=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail&af=240682&utm_campaign=240682&aff_platform=portals-tool&utm_medium=cpa&afref=https://www.head-fi.org/threads/resistance-of-cables-pics-comments-and-links.907998/&dp=e4305ffba1d41209bc4eb73d79ae3c6e&cv=47843&mall_affr=pr3&sk=_ePNSNV&aff_trace_key=5b6ea433003a45fa8203140c170cba57-1598280124202-00533-_ePNSNV&terminal_id=ecbb0c8714dc4129897629d9fc53263d&utm_source=admitad&utm_content=47843&aff_request_id=5b6ea433003a45fa8203140c170cba57-1598280124202-00533-_ePNSNV

And this one:
https://m.es.aliexpress.com/item/4000158772005.html?trace=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail&af=240682&utm_campaign=240682&aff_platform=portals-tool&utm_medium=cpa&afref=https://www.head-fi.org/threads/resistance-of-cables-pics-comments-and-links.907998/&dp=41290de7ea8817aa1c8cfdf27768b3b3&cv=47843&pvid=cb7a2407-5f31-4ac8-bf4f-dfec239d03a3&mall_affr=pr3&sk=_ePNSNV&aff_trace_key=34d8ecfef29d41c389742a9334e8a1fc-1598279808418-04865-_ePNSNV&rmsg=do_not_replacement&scm=1007.23534.124736.0&terminal_id=ecbb0c8714dc4129897629d9fc53263d&utm_source=admitad&utm_content=47843&aff_request_id=34d8ecfef29d41c389742a9334e8a1fc-1598279808418-04865-_ePNSNV

I just wouldnt want to spend a lot of money in an 8core one when the caracteristics of my combo wont make a difference with a 4core one. But i would hate to spend some money and get a cable of similiar properties of the fearles audio one.
Thank you for taking the time to read and for any advises for a begginer fella!
both cables will be an upgrade from stock one without a doubt, but i prefer the second one now (175).
also, effect audio vogue grandioso (https://www.effectaudio.com/vogue-series.html) is a breeze, similar to 175 if not better. copper/silver color or black/silver color. it's a bit more expensive than 175, but the 4 cores are thicker (26awg vs 28awg, better conductivity) while the cable being lighter due to the minimal plugs. i'll add all vogue series cables to the database today or tomorrow
 
Aug 24, 2020 at 11:27 AM Post #309 of 407
both cables will be an upgrade from stock one without a doubt, but i prefer the second one now (175).
also, effect audio vogue grandioso (https://www.effectaudio.com/vogue-series.html) is a breeze, similar to 175 if not better. copper/silver color or black/silver color. it's a bit more expensive than 175, but the 4 cores are thicker (26awg vs 28awg, better conductivity) while the cable being lighter due to the minimal plugs. i'll add all vogue series cables to the database today or tomorrow

Thanks man! Would there be a difference between 4cores or 8 cores?
 
Aug 24, 2020 at 11:31 AM Post #310 of 407
Question about cable soldering. I've been taught to "spin" the wire cores into one tight wire before applying tin so only the tip of the inner cores will come into contact with the soldering tin. Is it better to tin the "inner cores" as well or the least contact with the tin is better?
i'm not an specialist, but think you only need to pre-tin outside the rolled pack to solder easily. all the strands will be connected, because they are together.
another matter is litz (enameled) strands. in this case, the strands are isolated from the others, so you need to completely remove the enameling of every strand first, roll the strands, and pre-tin outside.
 
Aug 24, 2020 at 11:39 AM Post #311 of 407
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Aug 24, 2020 at 12:16 PM Post #312 of 407
you are welcome. my guesses: Other considerations about capacitance, geometry, and isolation of cables
edit: you are ok with 4 cores of these cables.
but in the case you use single-ended output with hybrid cable, i recommend 8 cores (to use both materials for audio signal)
Thanks mate! The vogue series cables are really what i want in terms of looks (so shallow i know haha) bit its almost double the price of cable #175!
Ill be expecting your report on them to see how well the maestro black fares cause thats around how much i can invest, the high res player was 190dlrs so i dont know about spending more on the cable than on the sony a55 lol.
Anyways, would that maestro black be superior to the stock fearless audio one? Id hate to pay it and conect it to hear no difference lol!!!
 
Aug 24, 2020 at 1:36 PM Post #313 of 407
Thanks mate! The vogue series cables are really what i want in terms of looks (so shallow i know haha) bit its almost double the price of cable #175!
Ill be expecting your report on them to see how well the maestro black fares cause thats around how much i can invest, the high res player was 190dlrs so i dont know about spending more on the cable than on the sony a55 lol.
Anyways, would that maestro black be superior to the stock fearless audio one? Id hate to pay it and conect it to hear no difference lol!!!
sound differences by using cables are subtle. you get more tonal differences by rolling tips, for example.
some people notice difference, others don't. in my case, i notice differences which are more notable in long sessions, specially with up-occ wires (maestro uses up-occ copper), so i think the improvement is worth it. but it's up to you. read my first post to get my opinion.
 
Aug 27, 2020 at 9:08 PM Post #314 of 407
added effect audio vogue series cables to the database. impressed with these ultra light cables.


230, 232, 234. effect audio vogue series.
these are the budget line from a very reputed brand from Singapore.
links: https://www.effectaudio.com/vogue-series.html


_230_232_234_02_P6300312.jpg


in these models, they also use up-occ litz wires, my fav, but with a more refined geometry and other innovations: triple size of strands into each core, like famous cardas clear light but adding kevlar fibers in the center to improve durability; golden ratio dispersion, which should help to avoid some undesired harmonics; ultraflexi sleeve; very light and ergonomic (flatten surfaces) plugs (jack, termination plugs, and splitter).
vogue-wire-3sizes.jpg


i'm going to compare these cables with the equivalent cema electro acousti cables, to check if these innovations make a noticeable improvement.

it is difficult to notice the subtle sound differences between such high quality cables, so it could be bias, but i think there are higher dynamics and very slightly deeper soundstage, blacker background, which helps with imaging, separation, and microdetails. tried with hifiman ananda and moondrop blessing. the new geometry is a success in my opinion.
about resistance and capacitance, these cables (4 cores) are true 26awg per signal, so their conductivity are closer to 8 cores versions of cema cables than to 4 cores versions (28awg), while their parallel capacitance is closer to 4 cores versions, which is great.
i think that cema eagle plugs are higher quality than the minimal versions sported in this vogue series, but the counterpart is that vogue cables result extremely light (check the weight) and comfortable (thanks to the flat surfaces, frequent un/plugging is easier for me; the plastic chin slider does its job).
the cables are very flexible, and didn't notice microphonics.
considering all this, and comparing the prices (remember effect audio makes discounts from time to time), these cables are now my favorites, in par, if not better, than my favorite cema cables.


234. ea vogue grandioso upocc cu+ag lz 4c (silv+cop,ea,M)
2 cores of up-occ copper litz + 2 cores of up-occ silver litz, triple-size and golden ratio dispersion, 26AWG per core/signal, woven kevlan fibers inside, ultraflexi (kind of PE?) sheath available colors: transparent sleeve (copper and silver colors), black sleeve for copper cores (black and silver colors).
2.5mm jack, 2pins:.179..202..203..169 mΩ..[15.4g]..81..80 pF..[119cm]
outer diameter: 4.2mm. length from splitter: 39cm.
resistance measurements suggest silver cores are used in left- and right+. not an issue in balanced cables.

perception of tonality is extended, balanced and natural, like with 175. copper helps with bass (impactful, good extension and bass rumble while very well textured), and silver helps with treble (good extension and body, airy and sparkling but keeping naturalness). they are the most neutral and balanced cables i've tried (they don't alter the tonal signature), without loosing detail (all the frequencies along the instruments ringing are perceived even, smooth, no holes nor peaks), thanks to the exceptional soundstage and black background.
i think the way both cables achieve highs preservation is different. guess that AuAg (silver) strands in 175 results brighter than silver strands of 234 if same thickness, while 234 gets same brightness due to the thinner inner strands while controlling undesired harmonics between strands thanks to golden ratio dispersion. but these are pure guessings...
voices, both male (low mids) and female (upper mids), keep a good body; they are not located in front, there is some distance thanks to the deep soundstage, but all the details are preserved and noticed.
very difficult to find differences with 175, but maybe 234 has got a bit higher dynamics, blacker background.

this is my actual favorite hybrid cable and favorite absolute cable from all i've tried, together with 175 (cema electro acousti).


234_00_IMG_20200401_191914.jpg



234_01_P6300376.JPG



234_03_P6300377.JPG


wire comparison with 175 (right). 234 has got thinner sleeve, and thicker wire (due to center kevlar fibers, plus overall thicker wire).
about copper wire, outer strands look similar diameter than strands of 175, inner strands will be thinner. silver strands of 175 are thicker than outer strands of 234, and much thicker than inner strands.

234_07_wire_vs175_IMG_20200625_190526.jpg



230. ea vogue maestro upocc cu lz 4c (copper,ea,M)
4 cores of up-occ copper litz, triple-size and golden ratio dispersion, 26AWG per core/signal, woven kevlan fibers inside, ultraflexi (kind of PE?) sheath available colors: transparent and black.
2.5mm jack, 2pins:.170..182..178..172 mΩ..[14.9g]..80..79 pF..[118cm]
outer diameter: 4.2mm. length from splitter: 38cm.

perception of tonality is balanced and natural, like 171. up-occ wires are more balanced than many other copper cables, because they don't eat the highs. impactful bass, well extended, bass rumble, while well textured and controlled (but not as much as 234). maybe a bit darker, but not much, than 234.
very difficult to find differences with 171. maybe slightly deeper stage and blacker background, but it could be bias..

this is my actual favorite copper cable together with 171 (cema electro acousti).


230_00_IMG_20200401_191901.jpg



230_13_P6300346.JPG


230_04_P6300321.JPG


wire comparison with 171 (right in first pic, left in second pic). 230 has got thinner sleeve, and thicker wire (due to center kevlar fibers, plus overall thicker wire). you can notice some of the thinner inner strands in the second pic.

230_10_wire_vs171_P6300339.jpg


230_05_12_wire_vs171_P6300341.jpg




232. ea vogue virtuoso upocc spz lz 4c (silver,ea,M)
4 cores of up-occ silver plated copper litz, triple-size and golden ratio dispersion, 26AWG per core/signal, woven kevlan fibers inside, ultraflexi (kind of PE?) sheath available colors: transparent and black.
2.5mm jack, 2pins:.190..169..169..178 mΩ..[15.1g]..82..81 pF..[118cm]
outer diameter: 4.2mm. length from splitter: 38cm.

perception of tonality is clearly brighter than 230 and 234, due to tighter bass (less bass rumble and extension, but very well textured) and to airier and sparkler upper mids and treble. it's curious that silver plated up-occ copper is way brighter than up-occ pure silver. the result is not as natural as 234 nor 230. maybe because i tested it using an slightly bright DAC+amplifier (xduoo x20) and slightly bright headphones (hifiman ananda), i much prefer 234 and even 230. but this cable can be used with dark combos which like some more treble energy.
soundstage and background noise are in par with other quality up-occ litz wires. upper mids, female voices, look forwarder than in 234 & 230.
i don't own many silver plated cables (not my cup of tea), and didn't compare this cable with 128 (one of the best spc cables i've tested); will do it when i get some more time, but due to quality up-occ wire (stage and background) and lightness, this is my favorite silver plated copper cable at this moment. very good for dark combos.


232_00_IMG_20200401_191923.jpg



232_01_P6300359.JPG



232_02_P6300361.jpg


232_05_wire_IMG_20200401_194135.jpg



232_06_wire_P6300369.jpg
 
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Aug 28, 2020 at 1:51 PM Post #315 of 407
added effect audio vogue series cables to the database. impressed with these ultra light cables.


230, 232, 234. effect audio vogue series.
these are the budget line from a very reputed brand from Singapore.
links: https://www.effectaudio.com/vogue-series.html


_230_232_234_02_P6300312.jpg


in these models, they also use up-occ litz wires, my fav, but with a more refined geometry and other innovations: triple size of strands into each core, like famous cardas clear light but adding kevlar fibers in the center to improve durability; golden ratio dispersion, which should help to avoid some undesired harmonics; ultraflexi sleeve; very light and ergonomic (flatten surfaces) plugs (jack, termination plugs, and splitter).
vogue-wire-3sizes.jpg


i'm going to compare these cables with the equivalent cema electro acousti cables, to check if these innovations make a noticeable improvement.

it is difficult to notice the subtle sound differences between such high quality cables, so it could be bias, but i think there are higher dynamics and very slightly deeper soundstage, blacker background, which helps with imaging, separation, and microdetails. tried with hifiman ananda and moondrop blessing. the new geometry is a success in my opinion.
about resistance and capacitance, these cables (4 cores) are true 26awg per signal, so their conductivity are closer to 8 cores versions of cema cables than to 4 cores versions (28awg), while their parallel capacitance is closer to 4 cores versions, which is great.
i think that cema eagle plugs are higher quality than the minimal versions sported in this vogue series, but the counterpart is that vogue cables result extremely light (check the weight) and comfortable (thanks to the flat surfaces, frequent un/plugging is easier for me; the plastic chin slider does its job).
the cables are very flexible, and didn't notice microphonics.
considering all this, and comparing the prices (remember effect audio makes discounts from time to time), these cables are now my favorites, in par, if not better, than my favorite cema cables.


234. ea vogue grandioso upocc cu+ag lz 4c (silv+cop,ea,M)
2 cores of up-occ copper litz + 2 cores of up-occ silver litz, triple-size and golden ratio dispersion, 26AWG per core/signal, woven kevlan fibers inside, ultraflexi (kind of PE?) sheath available colors: transparent sleeve (copper and silver colors), black sleeve for copper cores (black and silver colors).
2.5mm jack, 2pins:.179..202..203..169 mΩ..[15.4g]..81..80 pF..[119cm]
outer diameter: 4.2mm. length from splitter: 39cm.
resistance measurements suggest silver cores are used in left- and right+. not an issue in balanced cables.

perception of tonality is extended, balanced and natural, like with 175. copper helps with bass (impactful, good extension and bass rumble while very well textured), and silver helps with treble (good extension and body, airy and sparkling but keeping naturalness). they are the most neutral and balanced cables i've tried (they don't alter the tonal signature), without loosing detail (all the frequencies along the instruments ringing are perceived even, smooth, no holes nor peaks), thanks to the exceptional soundstage and black background.
i think the way both cables achieve highs preservation is different. guess than AuAg (silver) strands in 175 results brighter than silver strands of 234 if same thickness, while 234 gets same brightness due to the thinner inner strands while controlling undesired harmonics between strands thanks to golden ratio dispersion. but these are pure guessings...
voices, both male (low mids) and female (upper mids), keep a good body; they are not located in front, there is some distance thanks to the deep soundstage, but all the details are preserved and noticed.
very difficult to find differences with 175, but maybe 234 has got a bit higher dynamics, blacker background.

this is my actual favorite hybrid cable and favorite absolute cable from all i've tried, together with 175 (cema electro acousti).


234_00_IMG_20200401_191914.jpg



234_01_P6300376.JPG



234_03_P6300377.JPG


wire comparison with 175 (right). 234 has got thinner sleeve, and thicker wire (due to center kevlar fibers, plus overall thicker wire).
about copper wire, outer strands look similar diameter than strands of 175, inner strands will be thinner. silver strands of 175 are thicker than outer strands of 234, and much thicker than inner strands.

234_07_wire_vs175_IMG_20200625_190526.jpg



230. ea vogue maestro upocc cu lz 4c (copper,ea,M)
4 cores of up-occ copper litz, triple-size and golden ratio dispersion, 26AWG per core/signal, woven kevlan fibers inside, ultraflexi (kind of PE?) sheath available colors: transparent and black.
2.5mm jack, 2pins:.170..182..178..172 mΩ..[14.9g]..80..79 pF..[118cm]
outer diameter: 4.2mm. length from splitter: 38cm.

perception of tonality is balanced and natural, like 171. up-occ wires are more balanced than many other copper cables, because they don't eat the highs. impactful bass, well extended, bass rumble, while well textured and controlled (but not as much as 234). maybe a bit darker, but not much, than 234.
very difficult to find differences with 171. maybe slightly deeper stage and blacker background, but it could be bias..

this is my actual favorite copper cable together with 171 (cema electro acousti).


230_00_IMG_20200401_191901.jpg



230_13_P6300346.JPG


230_04_P6300321.JPG


wire comparison with 171 (right in first pic, left in second pic). 230 has got thinner sleeve, and thicker wire (due to center kevlar fibers, plus overall thicker wire). you can notice some of the thinner inner strands in the second pic.

230_10_wire_vs171_P6300339.jpg


230_05_12_wire_vs171_P6300341.jpg




232. ea vogue virtuoso upocc spz lz 4c (silver,ea,M)
4 cores of up-occ silver plated copper litz, triple-size and golden ratio dispersion, 26AWG per core/signal, woven kevlan fibers inside, ultraflexi (kind of PE?) sheath available colors: transparent and black.
2.5mm jack, 2pins:.190..169..169..178 mΩ..[15.1g]..82..81 pF..[118cm]
outer diameter: 4.2mm. length from splitter: 38cm.

perception of tonality is clearly brighter than 230 and 234, due to tighter bass (less bass rumble and extension, but very well textured) and to airier and sparkler upper mids and treble. it's curious that silver plated up-occ copper is way brighter than up-occ pure silver. the result is not as natural as 234 nor 230. maybe because i tested it using an slightly bright DAC+amplifier (xduoo x20) and slightly bright headphones (hifiman ananda), i much prefer 234 and even 230. but this cable can be used with dark combos which like some more treble energy.
soundstage and background noise are in par with other quality up-occ litz wires. upper mids, female voices, look forwarder than in 234 & 230.
i don't own many silver plated cables (not my cup of tea), and didn't compare this cable with 128 (one of the best spc cables i've tested); will do it when i get some more time, but due to quality up-occ wire (stage and background) and lightness, this is my favorite silver plated copper cable at this moment. very good for dark combos.


232_00_IMG_20200401_191923.jpg



232_01_P6300359.JPG



232_02_P6300361.jpg


232_05_wire_IMG_20200401_194135.jpg



232_06_wire_P6300369.jpg
Great review man! This is so helpful for us mortals with no knowledge of cables and stuff, great work!
Im gonna be waiting for a discount from effect audio to purchase mine, but i got one last question, ill be using a sony a55 with fearless audio s8f, would that be a dark or bright combo in your opinion?
 

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