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Jun 20, 2015 at 6:25 PM Post #11,971 of 36,121
  In what way were the results poor? I find pairing with the AK devices slower and less intuitive, but the results speak for themselves. Of course, I don't have the newest AK devices. I should have a loaner in soon.

Noisy and dropouts. I was very surprised. Of course, I have expensive balanced cables for the AK240 & AK120 II for most of my better IEMs and headphones, so the bluetooth performance is really irrelevant for me. I am much more likely to use the Sony A17 or my phone with the BTS.
 
Jun 20, 2015 at 7:01 PM Post #11,972 of 36,121
Anyone notice the sudden surge of K10s on sale in the classifieds? 
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Jun 20, 2015 at 9:31 PM Post #11,973 of 36,121
  Noisy and dropouts. I was very surprised. Of course, I have expensive balanced cables for the AK240 & AK120 II for most of my better IEMs and headphones, so the bluetooth performance is really irrelevant for me. I am much more likely to use the Sony A17 or my phone with the BTS.


The Sony performs better? I have an AK240 on loan for a while so I can check. I'll also add an iPhone 4S to the mix. 
 
Jun 20, 2015 at 11:34 PM Post #11,976 of 36,121
The Sony performs better? I have an AK240 on loan for a while so I can check.


My experience is that the Sony A17 and the ZX1 both do far better with the BTS compared to any of the newish AK models. I've heard the original AK stuff was better in that regard.
 
Jun 20, 2015 at 11:47 PM Post #11,977 of 36,121
My experience is that the Sony A17 and the ZX1 both do far better with the BTS compared to any of the newish AK models. I've heard the original AK stuff was better in that regard.

 
You're saying that the BTS sounds better on the Sony Walkmans that don't have AptX? That's great news for me haha.
 
Jun 21, 2015 at 12:47 AM Post #11,978 of 36,121
You're saying that the BTS sounds better on the Sony Walkmans that don't have AptX? That's great news for me haha.


My error, let me clarify. First, I meant to type ZX2 instead of ZX1. Dang iPad! I haven't actually spent a lot of time with the ZX1. I assume it would do equally well but I don't know.

Second, I was referring to basic functionality rather than strict SQ. Both those Sony devices pair well and have great range with very good reliability. The AK models have shorter range and give frequent dropouts. Very disappointing. Not that I would spend that much to primarily use BT anyway, but it would be nice to have it work well in case I did want to use it.

As for SQ, the A17 did an excellent job with BTS. Very good SQ. I only recently got the ZX2 in so I haven't done critical listening with BT yet.

I honestly haven't had time to research that model as much. Does it not have aptX? I assumed it would since the A17 does.
 
Jun 21, 2015 at 2:55 AM Post #11,979 of 36,121
Hello Dear K10ers (and especially the DX90 users under you),
 
My current setup is mostly DX90->Shure SE846 (sometimes stock cable, sometimes silver cable from ted)
I'm thinking to switch to the K10, but I'm not sure if I want to add an amp into my chain.
I read that the K10 scales well, but the DX90 should have a decent internal amp for IEMs. So how does it compare for pure DX90->K10 use VS with an amp in the chain?
 
Thanks
 
Jun 21, 2015 at 3:33 AM Post #11,980 of 36,121
The DX90 is a nearly perfect source with a nearly perfect output for IEMs. You don't need an amp. And, even if you added an amp to your chain, there are maybe a handful that could keep up with the DX90's output. It will be perfect for the K10.
 
Jun 21, 2015 at 3:49 AM Post #11,981 of 36,121
The DX90 is a nearly perfect source with a nearly perfect output for IEMs. You don't need an amp. And, even if you added an amp to your chain, there are maybe a handful that could keep up with the DX90's output. It will be perfect for the K10.


Its true that the DX90 is basically iem heaven. Its ridiculously quiet thanks to its low output inpedance. Its pairing with iems are generally quite spectacular.

My only issue is that the DX90 is a bit on the warmer side and paired with the k10u can be fairly rich sounding. For some its a plus, for someone like me who favors a brighter sound, not so much. But most people looking into the k10 are looking for that creamy musicality the k10 is known for anyways, so it might just fit most people well.
 
Jun 21, 2015 at 3:58 AM Post #11,982 of 36,121
Its true that the DX90 is basically iem heaven. Its ridiculously quiet thanks to its low output inpedance. Its pairing with iems are generally quite spectacular.

My only issue is that the DX90 is a bit on the warmer side and paired with the k10u can be fairly rich sounding. For some its a plus, for someone like me who favors a brighter sound, not so much. But most people looking into the k10 are looking for that creamy musicality the k10 is known for anyways, so it might just fit most people well.

Have you update your fw to 2.3.0?
This firmware improves quite a bit on top and soundstage which makes my k10 to another level.
The 2.2.0 is bass heavy and matching  with k10 would have excessive bass for someone.
 
Jun 21, 2015 at 6:02 AM Post #11,984 of 36,121
  Hello Dear K10ers (and especially the DX90 users under you),
 
My current setup is mostly DX90->Shure SE846 (sometimes stock cable, sometimes silver cable from ted)
I'm thinking to switch to the K10, but I'm not sure if I want to add an amp into my chain.
I read that the K10 scales well, but the DX90 should have a decent internal amp for IEMs. So how does it compare for pure DX90->K10 use VS with an amp in the chain?
 
Thanks

 
My DX50 runs the K10 just fine, so the DX90 should not have any problems with them. In fact, the K10 sounds pretty damn good with most sources I've tried, so you're not falling short with a DX90.
 
Jun 21, 2015 at 6:37 AM Post #11,985 of 36,121
  Hello Dear K10ers (and especially the DX90 users under you),
 
My current setup is mostly DX90->Shure SE846 (sometimes stock cable, sometimes silver cable from ted)
I'm thinking to switch to the K10, but I'm not sure if I want to add an amp into my chain.
I read that the K10 scales well, but the DX90 should have a decent internal amp for IEMs. So how does it compare for pure DX90->K10 use VS with an amp in the chain?
 
Thanks


Over the past few months I've owned the Cowon Plenue 1 and the AK120ii. With the K10s I prefer the DX90 over both. The P1 is fantastic but with the K10 it sounds too warm and dense for me. I found the AK120ii unbearably harsh with the K10, and could only listen for about 10 minutes max.
 
The DX90 sounds lovely with the K10s. I honestly find the combination as detailed as the AK120ii but without the harshness. 
 

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