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Aug 12, 2015 at 11:24 AM Post #13,771 of 36,074
I've got a question about my 3. Does anyone's iem produce a pure black silence when listening? I've always had a subtle hiss when listening to my computer via Dragonfly and my X5 on low gain. I recently had the chance to try a Project Polaris on low gain, and a Sound Devices USBPre2. I was still hearing noise without any music playing.
I really like the sound of these with music, but can't find a true silent source. Could my 3 be faulty?
 
Aug 12, 2015 at 11:44 AM Post #13,772 of 36,074
I've got a question about my 3. Does anyone's iem produce a pure black silence when listening? I've always had a subtle hiss when listening to my computer via Dragonfly and my X5 on low gain. I recently had the chance to try a Project Polaris on low gain, and a Sound Devices USBPre2. I was still hearing noise without any music playing.
I really like the sound of these with music, but can't find a true silent source. Could my 3 be faulty?


I also get this with my laptop and Pico slim portable amp. I have the Westone es5s.
 
Aug 12, 2015 at 12:47 PM Post #13,773 of 36,074
  Just received my Wizard designed K10 yesterday, these are just amazing both to my eyes and my ears, and I couldn't resist taking some photos to share with you on the forum.
 
Knowing that the Wizard had lived on the same island as I do, I asked if the Wiz could make my K10 from his "Taiwan impression" and surprise me.
 
After few weeks and here they are, like a shimmering emerald embedded on the Pacific Ocean.
 
Thank you @FullCircle and @bangkokkid for your brilliant artistry and warm kindness.
 

 

 

 

 
Edit: correct typo

So beautiful! congrats :)
 
Aug 12, 2015 at 1:46 PM Post #13,774 of 36,074
You already know the answer to that one (
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), but I'll go around the houses, what do you like on the ES5, and what do you feel it is lacking?

I want a bigger soundstage, more clarity, more bass and better treble as well. Unfortunately, I can't go into details, since the various terms used for describing IEM sound are puzzling to me. Seems I need a personal audio trainer and some good gear to get to the bottom of this.
 
Can you make any recommendations based on these requirements?
 
Aug 12, 2015 at 1:52 PM Post #13,775 of 36,074
Brand new Noble FR back home.I had taxes this time, but what a pleathure to them again. I chose well, amazing with my theorem 720. F and R configuration, Noble 4, ipod/theorem 720, HM-901, BTS when at the office. What else to be happy ?
Don't say savant or K10 ^^
 
Aug 12, 2015 at 5:22 PM Post #13,777 of 36,074

Got my K10's yesterday and thought I'd share some initial impressions. I couldn't resist putting them in almost as soon as I opened them when they were still cold and they obviously needed to warm up or the seal wasn't quite right (not likely as these aren't my first pair of CIEMs and the fit seems almost perfect), as the bass was almost non existent and they seemed very sibilant. I knew this wasn't right given what I already know about how they should sound, so I let them burn in a little while I made dinner and came back to them. When I tried them again I heard what everyone has been talking about with these.
 
First of all, the physical design is stunning. There is a reason people pay a premium for the Wizard designs and they are worth every penny; they are head and shoulders above every other IEM when it comes to design. Compared to my JH16's, they are also larger. The canal length is pretty much the same, however the housing is quite a bit bigger (they do need to house en extra 2 drivers per side) and they extend about 5-6mm further our from the ear. The contours of the acrylic housing were also much closer to that of the of my actual impressions whereas the JH16's were more rounded off, this might explain why the fit feels better despite being them being physically larger. 
 
My first impressions were that they are very laid back, but I couldn't quite figure out whether this is a good or bad thing. They are very easy to listen to and generally this means rolled off highs and smeared details, however I remember someone in this thread saying when you really focus in on the music you will hear they are actually extremely detailed and I completely agree with this statement. They are very resolving but at the same time the layering is exceptional and each frequency just seems to flow into the next which I feel gives them that "laid back" sound. 
 
The bass is wonderful. The quantity is perfect, but as others have said the main strength of the K10 is it's ability to choose when it can produce it rather than emphasising the bass across every track. My main over ear cans are the TH900's which are bass monsters and the K10's can just about match them in quantity with the right tracks and also have better balance across the mid-bass and sub-bass.
 
The treble is OK, I do feel it lacks a bit of sparkle but the extension is very good and they are not at all sibilant which is a major annoyance with a number of IEMs I've tried (although they will not hide poorly mastered recordings). Similar to the bass, if there is treble in the recording the K10's will replicate it with wonderful accuracy, however there is nothing exceptional to speak of here IMO.
 
My main criticism of the K10 so far is that they have a much narrower soundstage than other TOTL and even many cheaper IEM's. To be fair, I did my research and knew this would be that case before purchasing them, and I personally feel the trade off considering their technical prowess in every other aspect is a worthwhile one. That said, their imaging has been flawless so far, they just have a very "in your head" sound, even for an IEM.
 
I've saved the best for last, and that's the mids. Just......wow. I've fallen in love with the K10's mids already, they are better than anything else I have heard before from either a full size headphone or IEM (bar maybe the HE-560 but it's been over a year since I've listened to those). I don't even know what words I can use to describe them here. They are perfect. Perhaps this picture can convey my feelings about the K10's mids:
 

 
So do I feel they are worth the (not inconsiderable) price tag? Absolutely. For me, their biggest strength not any of what I have listed above, but their ability to be so versatile and perform so well across multiple vastly different genres. So far I have thrown at them: classical, hard rock, prog-rock, metal, blues, acoustic, pop, EDM, synthwave, soundtrack music and live recordings. With each genre they performed brilliantly and although they have some shortcomings with certain music (the boxy soundstage does not lend itself well to classical or live music), I never once felt the need to change to another headphone because the K10's would not be up to the task.
 
Do note that these impressions are based on only a few hours of listening so far. They also seem to be getting better the further in I get as I get more accustomed to their sound signature

 
Couldn't agree more with your impressions. For me, the treble is perfect. I love detail but I'm very sensitive to harsh peaks and too much sparkle. The K10s give me the detail but never the harshness. It's kinda dangerous actually... I can listen way louder than I should :wink: I agree with your assessment of the soundstage. It's noticeably smaller than anything else I've tried. I bought a pair of SE215s to tide me over while my K10s were getting fixed (MSRP $100), and the soundstage on them is so much wider, it was shocking at first going back to the K10s. As you noted, not the best for classical. On busy passages of orchestral music, the instrument location/separation sorta blends together into a wall of sound in that small space. Oh, but that sound... so gorgeously tuned! I can listen for hours on end with no fatigue. I find the K10s to shine particularly with vocalists or solo instruments... so intimate sounding and detailed. But to a degree I'm nitpicking... they sound beautiful with everything and I'm absolutely enjoying the heck out of them with classical music. I'm just saying that if I had the ability to improve just one area, I'd opt for the soundstage.
 
Aug 12, 2015 at 11:11 PM Post #13,779 of 36,074
Aug 13, 2015 at 5:46 AM Post #13,781 of 36,074
I want a bigger soundstage, more clarity, more bass and better treble as well. Unfortunately, I can't go into details, since the various terms used for describing IEM sound are puzzling to me. Seems I need a personal audio trainer and some good gear to get to the bottom of this.

Can you make any recommendations based on these requirements?
that all sounds fine to me how you're describing your requirements, but need to hone in on one point, treble... Me personally (to save the wrath of the Noble gods!), I'm a bit of a treble head, and this is one place where I personally feel these could have room for manoeuvre, to me the treble is a little subdued... please don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with it, but it depends if you prefer your treble presentation to be (one of my strange analogies coming up) like a romantic candle lit dinner with your partner, or like in ER and you're about to perform life saving surgery...
 
Aug 13, 2015 at 8:07 AM Post #13,782 of 36,074
Finally received my K10Us yesterday. On my birthday. Life is good. :etysmile:


And if it seems too good to be true... Well, it looks (or rather sounds) like my left earpiece is a dud. :frowning2:

When I first noticed a certain "harshness" that contradicted the descriptions given in the reviews I had read, I attributed it to the quality of the source and/or the recording, "brain burn-in" and whatnot. But when I listened to some handpicked familiar recordings, it became clear that something is wrong. VERY wrong. It was most obvious with certain piano recordings, especially the opening sequence of "Piano Sonata No.3: Largo" by Alice Sara Ott & Ólafur Arnalds (sample). Welcome to crackle hell!

I tried a handfull of different sources, other cables and even switching channels, but the issue persisted. When only listening with the right earpiece everything seems fine (as far as I can tell), but the left one goes berserk as soon as certain frequencies are involved. Bad driver, I guess?!
 
Aug 13, 2015 at 8:29 AM Post #13,783 of 36,074
And if it seems too good to be true... Well, it looks (or rather sounds) like my left earpiece is a dud.
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When I first noticed a certain "harshness" that contradicted the descriptions given in the reviews I had read, I attributed it to the quality of the source and/or the recording, "brain burn-in" and whatnot. But when I listened to some handpicked familiar recordings, it became clear that something is wrong. VERY wrong. It was most obvious with certain piano recordings, especially the opening sequence of "Piano Sonata No.3: Largo" by Alice Sara Ott & Ólafur Arnalds (sample). Welcome to crackle hell!

I tried a handfull of different sources, other cables and even switching channels, but the issue persisted. When only listening with the right earpiece everything seems fine (as far as I can tell), but the left one goes berserk as soon as certain frequencies are involved. Bad driver, I guess?!

 
Sending them in for testing would be the prudent thing to do.
 
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Aug 13, 2015 at 9:42 AM Post #13,785 of 36,074
 
You joke, but Ultimate Ears actually does have a product somewhat like what you describe. It's called the UE 1 Pro, and it's essentially a pair of their UE4 Pro monitors placed into one earpiece for stage monitoring. So instead of two drivers per side, you get one side with four drivers.

 
Yeah, I suppose a single-sided IEM would make (some) business sense - DJs for one would require a tool like this, if they prefer IEMs to cans. It's often hard moving (read: twisting) your cans to have one ear to the floor, and the other on the mixer.
 

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