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New model Cowon - Plenue D2

Discussion in 'Portable Source Gear' started by tiddlywinks, Jan 1, 2019.
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  1. jmills8
    Do you eq ? How do you lnow the D2s eq is good ? You wrote "The only two good things about it is battery life and EQ and as I do not like EQing the music it leaves me only with battery life". So you do eq or you dont ? If you dont then you did imposed onto yourself not to eq. You can use another word if it pleases you.
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2019
  2. maira
    I dont know what is going on in this Thread.

    All i wanted to know is Soundquality and soundstage (what Soundstage. ha, ha) compared to other (mid-fi) DAPs or maybe Plenue 1 or R/V.

    But most i can read here is kind of strange...
  3. mbphotox
    @maira soundquality is perfectly fine, like all good DAC chips, as long as you don't demand too much power from the amp.

    And soundstage has ABSO-FUGGING-LUTELY nothing to do with the player!

    That is, of course, as long as you play music without BBE, balance adjustments, etc.
    The soundstage also does NOT depend on cables and food you had for breakfast (unless it made you feel sick).

    It depends on the recording most of all, but is affected by the headphones most of all.
  4. maira
    Well. i have other experiences reagarding `Soundstage´. But thanks again for your opinion...
  5. castleofargh Contributor
    I wouldn't say nothing, but the impact on the overall impression of space/placement should usually be minimal. one rather simple way for that not to be the case, could come from some impedance relations changing the signature of the IEM. obviously that change needs to amount to something fairly noticeable, but then a different signature can very much change the image we get of the "stage".
    same thing with let's say a DAP that struggles with really low impedance loads(the IEMs). then the measurements can really degrade massively compared to what they would do into a 100ohm headphone. that could change a lot perceptually, so long of course as the changes are so bad they're audible. including crosstalk that could in extreme situations become fairly noticeable(to me that would be starting around -40dB so it's a rare issue, but probably not one that never happens when you consider that some IEMs nowadays go as low a 4ohm, a real current highway).

    with that said, I would not look for DAPs if I was trying to change that headstage, soundstage, whatever name we want to give it. I'd get another IEM. so I agree with the general idea of your message, I just had a problem with the notion of absolute :wink:
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2019
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  6. kova4a
    Well, technically a DAP can alter the change to some extend. One with darker background can crate the impression of better depth and separstion while a brighter one can create the impression of airier and more spacious sound. But again the source plays a smaller role in that regard. It's akways better to invest in better iems/headphones rather than buying expensive DAP to use with some cheap iems
  7. Soundtrap
    "The only two good things about it is battery life and EQ and as I do not like EQing the music it leaves me only with battery life."
    To most of us quote above looks like you've chosen not to use EQ, thus limiting your sonic experience by a great margin. Of all high end portable players manufacturers Cowon is the best in applying EQ to their players thus elevating sonic experience to a whole new level. But hey, your choice is yours and yours alone and you are welcome to move on to a different player.
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  8. jmills8
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  9. mbphotox
    And you did ABX testing with your "experiences", didn't you?

    Because, oh wonder, there have been dozens, if not hundreds, of people like you (with "experiences"), that tried their best, and failed miserably, at finding audible differences between daps.

    Sure, them is all deaf loos0rs, olol..

    Re the soundstage being altered through impedance issues caused by overly sensitive iems:
    I get how crosstalk can deteriorate spacial separation, but let's just assume that one choses a player with "matching" output impedance (i.e.max 1/10 of the earphone impedance, for earphones that have a non-linear frequency response/impedance relation)

    But, let's not dwell on such weird topics, and rather focus our attention on the salvation brought upon us by superior cables that manage to remove any kind of audible weaknesses found in headphones and players.
    I heard, some 1'000$ cables can even turn mono recordings to stereo.
  10. maira
    Lass´ es einfach! Danke!
  11. Centagon999

    Now you're talking Witchcraft! LoL. Nice post
  12. shigzeo Contributor
    I said what because your opinions don’t hold up with anyone else really and contradict things as basic as measurements that say the opposite. Either your earphones are broken, or your ears are.
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  13. castleofargh Contributor
    yes a good impedance ratio will overall limit the risks of getting an audible difference, and that's how I roll most of the time. but specifically for crosstalk, it's more about the amount of current flowing in the circuit and how far the channels are physically from each other. so low impedance amp might not save the day for that very specific issue. in fact a high impedance amp could become the current limiter itself if the load happened to be crazy low impedance. some DAPs do that as a sort of cheapo protection. but again, I mentioned crosstalk as something that could probably happen to become audible under extreme circumstances(the level of caution in that sentence is over 9000!!). for most uses, crosstalk turns out to be a completely irrelevant variable and should be treated as such IMO. I only brought it up as something that could exist.

    for impedance, "matching" means having the same. the relation between amp and IEMs where the source's value is way below the load's, is called "bridging".
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  14. castleofargh Contributor
    in the spirit of being constructive, you should start by listing what playback setup you used as reference when making those comments about soundstage, warmth, etc. and what IEM/headphone you used to test the D2 itself.
    one reason why that could be important=> https://www.head-fi.org/threads/feedback-about-gears-stop-doing-it-wrong-impedance.866714/
  15. sebna
    My gear is in the signature. Ask away if you have any specific questions.
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