Meze Audio LIRIC - The portable isodynamic hybrid array headphone

Nov 16, 2021 at 4:32 AM Post #91 of 1,602
The thing is, the $2000 does not include taxes etc for each state.
So, how much these headphones cost in Alaska, Delaware, Montana and so on?I am sorry but the price is unfair and clearly highlights that @MezeTeam is focused on the US market. Poor value proposition for European consumers by a European maker and European distributor.
 
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Nov 16, 2021 at 4:34 AM Post #92 of 1,602
Nov 16, 2021 at 4:48 AM Post #93 of 1,602
So, how much these headphones cost in Alaska, Delaware, Montana and so on?I am sorry but the price is unfair and clearly highlights that @MezeTeam is focused on the US market. Poor value proposition for European consumers by a European maker and European distributor.
I wonder which manufacturer does it right?
Only T+A as german manufacturer comes to mind, can't think of a second one.

Even there it's not equsl but shifts to the other spectrum
 
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Nov 16, 2021 at 4:49 AM Post #94 of 1,602
I don't think so. If a headphone, which is made in Europe is priced at 2000 Euro then the equivalence value is 2275 USD without considering the logistical cost. If we take the US market as benchmark then the fair price in Europe should be 1760 Euro considering that these are made in Europe and there is no need to import them. For me the pricing seems unfair for European customers and that's the reason I wouldn't buy the headphones.
Rest in the fact that as long as there's humans involved, it will never truly be "fair". Impossible to please everyone, and they're guaranteed gonna fail trying.

Also good on you, not spending towards a product because you so strongly believe it's unfair (to others) it's not worthy of investment. I'll never invest in Apple products for other but still valid (to me) reasons, nor will I recommend any to others, but unlike you it's for a selfish reason.

Rest assured though, most of the rest of us don't have such gripes about it. I simply won't be buying until Meze release a closed back TOTL with similar looks and esp comfort of the Empyrean/Elite. And I'll gladly save up the 3-4K (plus added taxes and crap) as it's worth paying extra. Yes, obviously for me, surprised we have to say this as much as we do in an area as subjective as this, but c'est la vie, init?
 
Nov 16, 2021 at 4:52 AM Post #96 of 1,602
Many. Harbeth, KEF, Cambridge, B&W and much much more. Actually the two companies that are favouring the US market are focal and Meze. And focal just the headphones devision.
Please share links to All the Harbeth KEF and Cambridge headphones
 
Nov 16, 2021 at 4:52 AM Post #97 of 1,602
I simply won't be buying until Meze release a closed back TOTL with similar looks and esp comfort of the Empyrean/Elite.
Have you heard the headphone?

Please share links to All the Harbeth KEF and Cambridge headphones
It's not headphones but audio equipment. for example

Harbeth P3ESR XD US price 3490 USD - https://store.acousticsounds.com/d/154666/Harbeth_Speakers-P3ESR_XD-Speakers
Harbeth P3ESR XD UK price 2595 GBP - https://www.hificorner.co.uk/brands/harbeth/harbeth-p3esr-xd-standmount-speakers.html
Harbeth P3ESR XD EU price 2995 Euro - https://www.audiomaat.nl/harbeth-p3esr-xd.html

That's fair pricing with benchmark the UK price since the speakers are made in England.
 
Nov 16, 2021 at 5:36 AM Post #98 of 1,602
I was so excited initially…then I learned they don’t have that warm romantic lows and mids that I associate with Meze. I am confused about what Meze’s house sound is supposed to be. Please return to the warm sound many associate with meze. We have enough companies chasing the Harmon curve.
 
Nov 16, 2021 at 5:45 AM Post #99 of 1,602
I was so excited initially…then I learned they don’t have that warm romantic lows and mids that I associate with Meze. I am confused about what Meze’s house sound is supposed to be. Please return to the warm sound many associate with meze. We have enough companies chasing the Harmon curve.
The Liric is another chase after Harmon curve? This is new to me. You have checked the FR curve already?
 
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Nov 16, 2021 at 6:08 AM Post #100 of 1,602
The Liric is another chase after Harmon curve? This is new to me. You have checked the FR curve already?
Are there FR graphs available yet?
 
Nov 16, 2021 at 6:13 AM Post #101 of 1,602
The thing is, I’m quite sure the $2000 does not include taxes that varies from state to state. The UK price includes VAT and imagine the EU one does as well.

Maybe we can take a quick look at the retail/sales related tax in US:

Types of indirect taxes (VAT/GST and other indirect taxes).
The United States (US) does not have a national sales-tax system. Rather, indirect taxes are imposed on a sub-national level. Each state has the authority to impose its own sales and use tax, subject to US constitutional restrictions. In many states, local jurisdictions (e.g. cities and counties) also impose sales and use taxes.

What transactions are subject to sales and use taxes?
In general, transactions involving sales of “tangible personal property” and select services are subject to tax. States have varying definitions of tangible personal property. A number of states also tax digital goods (e.g. digital audio works, e-books, streaming video). Most states limit the tax to services specifically enumerated by statute. However, a few states tax nearly all services.

What are the standard or other rates (i.e. reduced rate) for sales and use taxes?
There is no national sales tax in the US and therefore no standard rate. Sales or use tax rates vary by state, ranging from 2.9 to 7.25 percent at the state level. In addition to the state rate, local governments in 35 states impose an additional sales or use tax ranging from 1 to 5 percent.
Various states also offer reduced or zero rates on certain types of property, such as food for home consumption, residential utilities and manufacturing-related machinery.
(extracted from KPMG)

From what I observed, the tax varied according to states, cities and counties, so the advertised US price is BEFORE tax.

Are there FR graphs available yet?
I haven't seen any, that's why I was surprised when someone said Liric is chasing the Harmon curve.
 
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Nov 16, 2021 at 6:37 AM Post #102 of 1,602
Maybe we can take a quick look at the retail/sales related tax in US:


(extracted from KPMG)

From what I observed, the tax varied according to states, cities and counties, so the advertised US price is BEFORE tax.
Exactly, that was my understanding as well.
 
Nov 16, 2021 at 6:53 AM Post #103 of 1,602
Maybe we can take a quick look at the retail/sales related tax in US:


(extracted from KPMG)

From what I observed, the tax varied according to states, cities and counties, so the advertised US price is BEFORE tax.
Still makes no financial sense other than Meze accepting lower profit margins in the US market. Anyway. As per my example above where Harbeth speakers are sold based on the UK price and exchange rate (before tax in the US case). Long story short, US consumers will be able to buy this headphones with less purchasing power. It's OK but I don't think is the right commercial approach.
 
Nov 16, 2021 at 7:49 AM Post #105 of 1,602
Is there a 4.4 balanced cable for it?
Unfortunately only 1.2m variants for now.

https://mezeaudio.com/collections/a...-plated-upgrade-cables?variant=31315944669241

Still makes no financial sense other than Meze accepting lower profit margins in the US market. Anyway. As per my example above where Harbeth speakers are sold based on the UK price and exchange rate (before tax in the US case). Long story short, US consumers will be able to buy this headphones with less purchasing power. It's OK but I don't think is the right commercial approach.
Most manufacturers have it like that.
Meze is one of the examples where it is actually close to the same price.

Hifiman Susvara 6000$ vs 7000€(=8000$) is a 33% price increase for europe.

Mcintosh MHA 200 2400$ vs 3000€(3400$)

Cayin Ha-6a 2400$ vs 3500€..

Or the other way round
Solitaire P 4800€(5600$) vs 6400$

While I am all with you that the products should cost roughly the same in different countries, the reality Shows that usually they don't and Meze actually has still quite similar prices
 

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