Low end. Cheap. Generic. Otherwise bang for buck cable thread!
May 30, 2019 at 11:41 PM Post #1,561 of 9,185
added cable 170 to my list, as well as 051 (new kz upgrade affordable cable), 059 (nice looking grey cable, similar to cables 052, guess wire quality is like best 052 wires), 056 (trn 8 cores, which was missed in this list), and 058 (old last kz upgrade cable).

170. tw cryo 7n up-occ copper litz 4c (copper,eagle,M): 252..254..268..290..[21.46g]
structure: 0.07mm*19(OD:1.08mm/28AWG)*4c taiwan frozen 7n up-occ copper litz (independent shield/enamel of every thread in each core); "frozen and strengthened by American cryo parts".
eagle rhodium plated jack, sandal wood divider.
mmcx and 2pins terminations, 2.5, 3.5, 4.4mm jacks, available.
it's thinner than i'd like, but litz shielding can give even darker background than wire used in cable 165 (no litz, but thicker); this is confirmed after first AB, but difference is slight.
sound is very clean, reference. dark background, bigger soundstage; definition is so great, that i feel better separation and imaging than the rest.
_170_tw_7nupocclz_4c_eagle_copp.jpg

wire used:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/33008255130.html
_170_wire0.jpg
_170_wire2.jpg

links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/1000007909452.html
 
May 31, 2019 at 1:04 AM Post #1,562 of 9,185
Think i provided links to 2pin versions of cables using taiwan 7N frozen UP-OCC wire, and even 8 cores versions, iirc. anyway, here they go again.

in fact, received cable 170 (2pins 28awg 7n frozen up-occ copper LITZ cable). thinner than 165 but litz (independent shield/enamel of every thread into the cores, should provide even darker background and bigger stage in theory).
i was expecting around 300mΩ resistance due to structure, and it is ~255mΩ (better) resistance due to higher conductivity of 7n frozen up-occ wire.
after first AB between 170 and 165, sound differences are minimal, if any. but 170 maybe provides even slight better stage and darker background, so this litz version would be superior. 8 cores version would be around 130mΩ resistance, which could be great.
being nitpicker, cons of 170 cable are jack strain relief (too short and stiff), and thickness (although not critical, 255mΩ is a bit high for my taste).

2pins/mmcx available of taiwan 7n frozen/cryo up-occ wire:

170 taiwan 7N cryo UP-OCC copper LITZ 4cores 28g eagle jack copper color 80€: 252, 254, 268, 290 mΩ. 21.46g 0.08/0.07mm*19(OD:1.08mm,27.3/28AWG)*4c
link: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/1000007909452.html electro acousti
wire: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/33008255130.html (litz)

171 taiwan 7N cryo UP-OCC copper 4cores 28g eagle jack copper color 75€. ~260mΩ 0.08/0.07mm*19(OD:1.08mm,27.3/28AWG)*4c
link: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32999961682.html electro acousti
wire: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/1000007925933.html (no litz)

175 taiwan 7N cryo UP-OCC silver plated copper 8c eagle silver color 149€ 130-175mΩ 0.08/0.07mm*19(OD:1.08mm,27.3//28awg)*8c 24.3/25.5AWG per signal 130-175
link: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/33000585105.html
wire: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/1000007744883.html (no litz)

Thanks a lot mate. Have obviously missed those.

175 looks very interesting to me. Will watch out for the next sale...
 
May 31, 2019 at 1:05 PM Post #1,563 of 9,185
added cable 170 to my list, as well as 051 (new kz upgrade affordable cable), 059 (nice looking grey cable, similar to cables 052, guess wire quality is like best 052 wires), 056 (trn 8 cores, which was missed in this list), and 058 (old last kz upgrade cable).

170. tw cryo 7n up-occ copper litz 4c (copper,eagle,M): 252..254..268..290..[21.46g]
structure: 0.07mm*19(OD:1.08mm/28AWG)*4c taiwan frozen 7n up-occ copper litz (independent shield/enamel of every thread in each core); "frozen and strengthened by American cryo parts".
eagle rhodium plated jack, sandal wood divider.
mmcx and 2pins terminations, 2.5, 3.5, 4.4mm jacks, available.
it's thinner than i'd like, but litz shielding can give even darker background than wire used in cable 165 (no litz, but thicker); this is confirmed after first AB, but difference is slight.
sound is very clean, reference. dark background, bigger soundstage; definition is so great, that i feel better separation and imaging than the rest.
_170_tw_7nupocclz_4c_eagle_copp.jpg

wire used:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/33008255130.html
_170_wire0.jpg
_170_wire2.jpg

links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/1000007909452.html

Very good sound with mixed one too! I bought it for 71€ and I'm quite satisfied.

BTW special mention for BGVP DX3 mixed (https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/bVXecq9K) cable. I'm using it (mic version) on the go and for 17€ sound is fantastic IMHO (I like it quite more than e.g. Nicehck copper ~20€ cable and others at this price range).

EDIT: Link correction, don't know why, but the link doesn't work from this forum (but is working for me if I paste it directly in the browser)
 
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May 31, 2019 at 8:39 PM Post #1,564 of 9,185
added cable 170 to my list, as well as 051 (new kz upgrade affordable cable), 059 (nice looking grey cable, similar to cables 052, guess wire quality is like best 052 wires), 056 (trn 8 cores, which was missed in this list), and 058 (old last kz upgrade cable).

170. tw cryo 7n up-occ copper litz 4c (copper,eagle,M): 252..254..268..290..[21.46g]
structure: 0.07mm*19(OD:1.08mm/28AWG)*4c taiwan frozen 7n up-occ copper litz (independent shield/enamel of every thread in each core); "frozen and strengthened by American cryo parts".
eagle rhodium plated jack, sandal wood divider.
mmcx and 2pins terminations, 2.5, 3.5, 4.4mm jacks, available.
it's thinner than i'd like, but litz shielding can give even darker background than wire used in cable 165 (no litz, but thicker); this is confirmed after first AB, but difference is slight.
sound is very clean, reference. dark background, bigger soundstage; definition is so great, that i feel better separation and imaging than the rest.
_170_tw_7nupocclz_4c_eagle_copp.jpg

wire used:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/33008255130.html
_170_wire0.jpg
_170_wire2.jpg

links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/1000007909452.html
ow no... its another venomous toxic...
Let me try 165 first... compare to 130
 
May 31, 2019 at 8:48 PM Post #1,565 of 9,185
ow no... its another venomous toxic...
Let me try 165 first... compare to 130
yea, having cable 165 you are not in a hurry of getting another 7N UP-OCC cable..

forgive my enthusiasm, i'm in love with this kind of wire, best ones from my stock in terms of sound without a doubt. wish they were a bit thicker, lower resistance, though. and wish i hadn't become too toxic.. :wink:
 
May 31, 2019 at 8:54 PM Post #1,566 of 9,185
yea, having cable 165 you are not in a hurry of getting another 7N UP-OCC cable..

forgive my enthusiasm, i'm in love with this kind of wire, best ones from my stock in terms of sound without a doubt. wish they were a bit thicker, lower resistance, though. and wish i hadn't become too toxic.. :wink:
Its Ok...
keep the info, some of guys here need it...

my 165 shipping is uncertain, due to long public holiday...

170, is thinner then 130 right? how is the sound impression? weight?
more stiffer? so I can imagine... if you dont mind
 
Jun 1, 2019 at 8:35 AM Post #1,570 of 9,185
Will have to hound @hakuzen for a lizt cable now :D
 
Jun 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Post #1,571 of 9,185
think i provided links to 2pin versions of cables using taiwan 7N frozen UP-OCC wire, and even 8 cores versions, iirc. anyway, here they go again.

in fact, received cable 170 (2pins 28awg 7n frozen up-occ copper LITZ cable). thinner than 165 but litz (independent shield/enamel of every thread into the cores, should provide even darker background and bigger stage in theory).
i was expecting around 300mΩ resistance due to structure, and it is ~255mΩ (better) resistance due to higher conductivity of 7n frozen up-occ wire.
after first AB between 170 and 165, sound differences are minimal, if any. but 170 maybe provides even slight better stage and darker background, so this litz version would be superior. 8 cores version would be around 130mΩ resistance, which could be great.
being nitpicker, cons of 170 cable are jack strain relief (too short and stiff), and thickness (although not critical, 255mΩ is a bit high for my taste).

2pins/mmcx available of taiwan 7n frozen/cryo up-occ wire:

170 taiwan 7N cryo UP-OCC copper LITZ 4cores 28g eagle jack copper color 80€: 252, 254, 268, 290 mΩ. 21.46g 0.08/0.07mm*19(OD:1.08mm,27.3/28AWG)*4c
link: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/1000007909452.html electro acousti
wire: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/33008255130.html (litz)

171 taiwan 7N cryo UP-OCC copper 4cores 28g eagle jack copper color 75€. ~260mΩ 0.08/0.07mm*19(OD:1.08mm,27.3/28AWG)*4c
link: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32999961682.html electro acousti
wire: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/1000007925933.html (no litz)

175 taiwan 7N cryo UP-OCC silver plated copper 8c eagle silver color 149€ 130-175mΩ 0.08/0.07mm*19(OD:1.08mm,27.3//28awg)*8c 24.3/25.5AWG per signal 130-175
link: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/33000585105.html
wire: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/1000007744883.html (no litz)

Thanks man, these are very nice !
 
Jun 1, 2019 at 4:59 PM Post #1,573 of 9,185
Its Ok...
keep the info, some of guys here need it...

my 165 shipping is uncertain, due to long public holiday...

170, is thinner then 130 right? how is the sound impression? weight?
more stiffer? so I can imagine... if you dont mind

I am asking as well regarding the stiffness and suppleness of the 170.

170 is thinner than 165 and, of course, than 130.
but due to the sleeve, it's almost as stiff as 165, much more than 130 (where flexibility is remarkable, given the thickness of the wire). guess the rigid dielectric chosen contributes to sound properties of the cable, dunno.
they are not much flexible, stiffer than you would expect from a 4 cores 28awg cable. more flexible than most thick cables (125, 128, 150, 151, 160, 161, 133, 115, ..) but less flexible than the other 8 cores or 16 cores cables.
so there are some microphonics (very audible when tapping the cable without music; i can't notice any microphonic noise when listening to music, though).
 
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