[Pruikki]

Popped in here to see whats new, Oh wow ZS10 is here!

anyone please share ur thoughts: ZSR, how does it differ from new ZS10?

I have KZ ZSR and i am wondering, is buying ZS10 gonna be a upgrade or just Different kind of sound. is it Better than ZSR in every way or worse in some?


From Es3 to Zsr was a big WOW effect, could it be same with zs10?

thanks!

 

[s2kPanda]

True, FR graphs are useless and serve no real purpose. I have no clue why we (and every manufacturer, and most reviewers) use them? I mean, it's not like they are a tool to help understand what we are hearing, or a subjective vs objective way to perform tuning and mods, right?

I mean, look at these examples of how useless they are:

Silver plated vs stock copper cables on the ZS5:


The effects of impedance on the ZS6's treble:


Effects of vent tuning on the BlitzWolf EW1:


The difference between stainless vs stock nylon nozzle filters on the EDR2:


The effects of tip rolling on the ZS6:

What point are you trying to prove being sarcastic? Hearing is subjective. FR responses don't make the headphone, it's the listener that does at the end of the day. You shouldn't determine something just by looking at a line graph. Quantitative data alone doesn't mean a thing if everyone interprets it differently, which in the case of headphones means every mother effing audiophile, headphone user, reviewer of headphones, dogs, cats, dolphins and pink donkeys. Not saying it doesn't matter, but it only tells you so much because we all interpret sounds differently.

 

[Torac]

Thanks again for taking the time.
Seems you are pretty happy with them playing EDM after eq changes.

To further improve the sound for EDM you should try different tips with wider bore as I have found this can help increase soundstage and overall immersiveness. The standards tips seem to have a narrow bore.

The nozzle has been described as short.
Do the iem tips reach deep and seal well ? Also do the iem’s stay comfortable and in place for a long periods of listening ?

They don't reach quite as deep inside my ear as my zs5 and do occasionally unseal, but I think that could be solved by foam tips.

 

[zozito]

My green ZS6 should be arriving by next week from NiceHCK. We'll see.

Waiting one in green also for next week.

 

[Slater]

Hearing is subjective.

Exactly. Hearing IS subjective. Just like FR data is objective.

There are those that use BOTH subjective and objective analysis, even if your belief is that "people who rely on FR graphs can go spend 800 on some CA Andromedas instead".

I'm done discussing this. This is way off topic.

 

[antdroid]

I just picked up a pair of KZ ZS6 iems just for fun. I found them in the discontinued green color (via NiceHCK) which I think looks fantastic, even though they are a copycat of the Campfire Andromedas. For $35 USD, they arent bad, but the treble on these are crazy and not in a good way. I have been playing around with different tips and even with foam tips, which make treble rolled off typically, it's still pretty sibilant. I've read about mods to these, so I may play with that. Obviously my taste in headphones and IEMs are in the 10-20 times price range of these, but I wanted to hear what the hype was about. Plus they look neat. I may mess around with these a bit with modding or just give them to a friend. I have about 15 or so hours of burn-in on them. I feel like they've actually become more sibilant and peaky.

 

[skedra]

I just picked up a pair of KZ ZS6 iems just for fun. I found them in the discontinued green color (via NiceHCK) which I think looks fantastic, even though they are a copycat of the Campfire Andromedas. For $35 USD, they arent bad, but the treble on these are crazy and not in a good way. I have been playing around with different tips and even with foam tips, which make treble rolled off typically, it's still pretty sibilant. I've read about mods to these, so I may play with that. Obviously my taste in headphones and IEMs are in the 10-20 times price range of these, but I wanted to hear what the hype was about. Plus they look neat. I may mess around with these a bit with modding or just give them to a friend. I have about 15 or so hours of burn-in on them. I feel like they've actually become more sibilant and peaky.

I personally only heard improvement after 70-80h of burnin. But that's just me otherwise I've heard people stuff cotton balls inside one BA driver to calm it down

 

[Bartig]

It felt to me like there's not enough sub bass which then in turn makes bass feel weaker at times. For example in "Neon Demon OST - the demon dance" the zs6 just shines but zs10 lacks something

Yours and others comments on the (sub) bass are leading me to believe the KZ ZSR might actually better than the ZS10. Can’t wait to compare them around Tuesday.

 

[s2kPanda]

Exactly. Hearing IS subjective. Just like FR data is objective.

There are those that use BOTH subjective and objective analysis, even if your belief is that "people who rely on FR graphs can go spend 800 on some CA Andromedas instead".

I'm done discussing this. This is way off topic.

You didn't discuss anything. All you did was sarcastically quote my post and then post a bunch of graphs. I mean if that's your idea of a discussion LOL.

 

[Vestat]

I feel like they've actually become more sibilant and peaky.

I have to admit that burning-in the zs6 is making me feel the trebles are getting more piercing and sibilant. I still like the soundstage and the sound energy but I was hoping the treble would become smoother.

 

[Vestat]

I personally only heard improvement after 70-80h of burnin. But that's just me otherwise I've heard people stuff cotton balls inside one BA driver to calm it down

this will be the next step.. at the moment I'm still waiting and burnin..
Will put some textile when I'll be definitely sure the trebles are like they are.

 

[j0nb0y]

Some ZS10 porn for your viewing pleasure.

Still have high hopes for them. Wouldn't mind hearing others impressions on the lack of sub bass.

 

[Torac]

Some ZS10 porn for your viewing pleasure.

Still have high hopes for them. Wouldn't mind hearing others impressions on the lack of sub bass.

Eq helps a lot. Once you boost sub bass it's actually quite detailed.

 

[Otto Motor]

True, FR graphs are useless and serve no real purpose. I have no clue why we (and every manufacturer, and most reviewers) use them? I mean, it's not like they are a tool to help understand what we are hearing, or a subjective vs objective way to perform tuning and mods, right?

I mean, look at these examples of how useless they are:

Silver plated vs stock copper cables on the ZS5:


The effects of impedance on the ZS6's treble:


Effects of vent tuning on the BlitzWolf EW1:


The difference between stainless vs stock nylon nozzle filters on the EDR2:


The effects of tip rolling on the ZS6:

Dear s2kPanda, this guys writes here:
https://goo.gl/w7Xfje

"...A Frequency Response graph is not in any way an indication of good sound quality. Think of it as flavours, like in ice-cream. The FR is like the branding at the side of the tub telling you the flavour of the ice cream. It's not going to tell you if it's good ice cream, but at least you have a way of finding out if it's the flavour you want..."

I side with Slater that observation (e.g. FR graphs) and interpretation (subjective listing impression) are unrelated and should be separated in every review.

Time for some ice cream, folks!

 

[j0nb0y]

Eq helps a lot. Once you boost sub bass it's actually quite detailed.

I've got Viper4Android boosting 31Hz 63Hz and 125Hz and got Viper Bass boosting too. The sub bass is there definitely but there's something missing.

Listen to AC/DC - Thunderstruck and let me know what you think of it. It's not piercing but it's difficult to listen to.