k701 to proline 2500

[music_man]

sorry, i did not stop to think about that. it is a fine line. i understand why it is not allowed though.

if every manufacturer represented themselves here this would be a different(and probably not nearly as enjoyable) type of place.

again, sorry i spoke before thinking.


music_man.

 

[Mercuttio]

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Originally Posted by music_man sorry, i did not stop to think about that. it is a fine line. i understand why it is not allowed though. if every manufacturer represented themselves here this would be a different(and probably not nearly as enjoyable) type of place. again, sorry i spoke before thinking. music_man.

No no, I'm not miffed at you in the least. This guy just has a history of doing this sort of thing. Check out his post history, he's just here for one reason. He's had a few deleted for this reason, too.

 

[music_man]

mercuttio, you posted before i did. but i can see what you mean totally. i don't know this guy so i don't want to jump on him in case we are wrong about his intentions. but i see how it could appear. "some guy goes on and on about how great these are, why not jump on his coat tails and sell some of them?" i am not saying that is what he was trying to do, but i can see how one could take it as that way.

i assume when you said "he will not....." you meant he would be banned. and rightfully so. he didn't exactly cross that line though. yet.

however, i also agree if florian came in here and did anything other than say you must buy his headphones i bet we all would be happy to listen to what he has to say. the man is a doctor! and a regarded scientist.

i think the 12 posts speaks for itself differently than i realised. todd and tyll have a little more than 12 posts. ok, a lot more. shows they actually are intrested in more than simply selling stuff.

anyways, i wish dr. koenig and mr. grado etc. were here but i can see why they stay away. for the very reason that anything they say may be misconstrued as a sales pitch over a competing brand and serve to be bad for their reputations.

music_man

 

[music_man]

ok, you posted before i did again! i take it he is a troll. i didn't know the guy.
for all i knew he had good intentions. that is a real shame, people like that.

also, i wanted to sort of apoligise for making these things seem like the greatest thing sliced cake. i think they are awesome. most people don't. even though i fell in love with them most people probably still will not if they like the usual headphones that are highly regarded around here. i am not backtalking myself now, i am just saying don't buy anything ever that you cannot listen too first or return! if you want to try them great. remember though what everyone else has said. i seem to be one of a handfull that like them. and at that, i seem to be the only one that calls them giant killers.
so just keep in mind what most people say. i am one of a minority here.

music_man.

 

[Mercuttio]

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Originally Posted by music_man ok, you posted before i did again! i take it he is a troll. i didn't know the guy. for all i knew he had good intentions. that is a real shame, people like that. also, i wanted to sort of apoligise for making these things seem like the greatest thing sliced cake. i think they are awesome. most people don't. even though i fell in love with them most people probably still will not if they like the usual headphones that are highly regarded around here. i am not backtalking myself now, i am just saying don't buy anything ever that you cannot listen too first or return! if you want to try them great. remember though what everyone else has said. i seem to be one of a handfull that like them. and at that, i seem to be the only one that calls them giant killers. so just keep in mind what most people say. i am one of a minority here. music_man.

Nah, I know what it's like to find something that matches your ears and not everyone elses. I don't think anyone can really accuse you of making them go out and buy a pair with a gun to their head. It's pretty tough not to rave about a new pair of headphones though. I definitely caught a lot of flack for it when the GS1000 came out not too long ago.

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by Mercuttio The difference between this guy and those guys is simple. They really like headphones. Tyll comes around lots and doesn't talk shop. He answers an honest question about his amps once in a while if someone asks him, but he doesn't pop up JUST to throw in a word about the product he's selling. Also, this isn't an "anti ultrasone" thing. I like Florian Koenig very much, and if he wanted to stop by and talk headphones I'd be totally down with it. This guy isn't Florian. This is the most blatant example of a shill. He is using Head-Fi to sell product: "Contact me if you have any questions." He does not belong here.

Mercuttio, Tyll is one of the pioneers of this fascinating hobby, that is why we all know him, and is why he talks a lot about heapdhones, as simply he loves them I agree with you on that, but he doesn't make any heapdhones neither (he is not the same case as Florian), he sells them, but also you don't know is that fellow also loves the heapdhones or not, maybe he does, and maybe as much as Tyll, and I think that he is also entitled to an opinion.

OTOH any question Tyll may answer here is hard to imagine that is not also related to the products he sells, as he sells mainly all headphones and amps of the market, including his brand, and if you ask me, the "contact me if you have any questions" statement, is just about info on the products IMO, as he can't do it here for that same reason, but not for selling purposes. He is located in Canada, and we have a lot of local dealers for that...

But maybe you have some more info that i do not know, if that is the case sorry to come across that way...

One thing is sure, I would like that all manufacturers, regardless of the intention, come here more often to offer inputs, that will benefit all of us, and we will get a lot more info, that will make this forum a lot richer in information that what it is right now....

 

[Jonny G]

Frankly, I'm a little bit insulted that some of you guys think I'm here to sell some product. I'll admit right away though, that I am no headphone expert, especially compared to many of you guys, and my intentions for joining the forums are more to learn about the hobby than anything else.

We have been distributing Ultrasone for a little over a year, and while I've always been something of a sound enthusiast, the Ultrasones are my first real hi-end headphone, which has opened me up to this whole new world.

Because of my screename (which is a bit of a double edged sword), I cant really comment too much on other headphones, or post too many topics without coming off like a marketing ploy, or slandering a competitors product. But when I see threads about Ultrasone, I like to jump in with my thoughts and comments. Looking back at my own posts, I dont see anywhere where I came off trying to sell anything (ok, I admit I was a little bit excited about the iCans when they came out and got a post deleted over that, but thats it).

Since Ultrasone USA is a sponsor here, I figure there needs to be some kind of representation on the boards from Ultrasone, since neither them nor head office in Germany has the time to post here. Just think of me as the unofficial Ultrasone dude

I may not have the knowledge of other manufacturers' reps here, but I can assure you I have a LOT of experience with Ultrasone headphones, and I'd really just like to help you guys out with any questions you have about the brand etc... If you want to buy, if you dont want to buy, I dont care...I'm just curious to know what a serious headphile thinks of them....

Cheers

<----kinda sorta looks like a PROline headphone

 

[Mercuttio]

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Originally Posted by Ultrasone Canada Frankly, I'm a little bit insulted that some of you guys think I'm here to sell some product. I'll admit right away though, that I am no headphone expert, especially compared to many of you guys, and my intentions for joining the forums are more to learn about the hobby than anything else. We have been distributing Ultrasone for a little over a year, and while I've always been something of a sound enthusiast, the Ultrasones are my first real hi-end headphone, which has opened me up to this whole new world. Because of my screename (which is a bit of a double edged sword), I cant really comment too much on other headphones, or post too many topics without coming off like a marketing ploy, or slandering a competitors product. But when I see threads about Ultrasone, I like to jump in with my thoughts and comments. Looking back at my own posts, I dont see anywhere where I came off trying to sell anything (ok, I admit I was a little bit excited about the iCans when they came out and got a post deleted over that, but thats it). Since Ultrasone USA is a sponsor here, I figure there needs to be some kind of representation on the boards from Ultrasone, since neither them nor head office in Germany has the time to post here. Just think of me as the unofficial Ultrasone dude I may not have the knowledge of other manufacturers' reps here, but I can assure you I have a LOT of experience with Ultrasone headphones, and I'd really just like to help you guys out with any questions you have about the brand etc... If you want to buy, if you dont want to buy, I dont care...I'm just curious to know what a serious headphile thinks of them.... Cheers <----kinda sorta looks like a PROline headphone

Dude, you're a vendor. You list a website in your profile where I can buy Ultrasone headphones. I don't care "If you figure" that the board needs Ultrasone representation... if those headphones can't represent themselves on this board like all the others do, then they're worthless. Ultrasone is a sponsor here and I'm glad that they are... but it is not your job to come here and support the product THAT YOU SELL on behalf of them. I don't think you understand the nature of Head-Fi.

A fanboy who sells the product he raves about is a shill to me. And, for the record, I was the one who reported your iCans bit. You are worthless as a source of information until you hear other headphones.

Here's my advice Ultrasone: Delete your webpage from your profile. Buy a K701, an HD650, a K81 DJ, an RS1, an SR60, a DT770-80, a DT880. Until then, why should anyone take you seriously?

And Sovkiller. I think you want an entirely different Head-Fi board then most of us. I do not EVER want to see manufactuers of products talk about their products here, other than product announcements or the occasional explanation of why something is a certain way. YOu let in more and you're going to start down a rediculously slippery slope taht could devolve into manufacturers arguing with members about their own headphones. That means that nobody gets to have an opinion.

 

[ojnihs]

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Originally Posted by Mercuttio And Sovkiller. I think you want an entirely different Head-Fi board then most of us. I do not EVER want to see manufactuers of products talk about their products here, other than product announcements or the occasional explanation of why something is a certain way. YOu let in more and you're going to start down a rediculously slippery slope taht could devolve into manufacturers arguing with members about their own headphones. That means that nobody gets to have an opinion.

Hear Hear on that one.

 

[jbloudg20]

I think maybe a mod should step in here to define exactly what is going on.

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by Mercuttio And Sovkiller. I think you want an entirely different Head-Fi board then most of us. I do not EVER want to see manufactuers of products talk about their products here, other than product announcements or the occasional explanation of why something is a certain way. YOu let in more and you're going to start down a rediculously slippery slope taht could devolve into manufacturers arguing with members about their own headphones. That means that nobody gets to have an opinion.

You are absolutelly wrong on that the majority do not want that kind of participation, and that we do not need the participation of manufacturers, if you do not, and a few of other members do not, it is OK, but do not generalize, please, because you are wrong on that. I know a lot of members that would llike it, and please I'm not in favor of the way you are stating that it will be, it could be in a very different way, and it has being that way for a few years, just when some extraordinary intelligent members, that are not even manufacturer, and IMO not evne good designers neither, began to critize, then the battle began, but till that day, there was no problems at all.

Those manufacturers are the only ones that for sure could answer a lot of questions that we still have about our heapdhones, amps etc...BTW in the NYC national meeting at the end, we had a conference, with all the mnaufacturers, IIRC a lot of questions were asked, but just a few of them were really answered, a lot fo suggestions were also made, and some of them manufacturers agreed to offer an answer later on, and the members who asked them (I know a few) are still waiting for those answers....Maybe if they were allowed to participate more often, we could get those answers faster.

BTW I agree with you in that to participate and to explain the designs, and the way their products work, do not mean that they necesarily need to bash and fight with another manufacturers, we have seen a lot fo post of Jan, Tyll, Ray, Rudi, Mikhail, Lou, Wilson, etc...explaining their designs in the past with no problems at all....I do not see why they can not do it now, and still live in peace, actually I do not recall any post of those guys, being rude, obsene or out of place never!!!! Other than when stupid no members of the trade, began to argue for no reason, these are the ones that had always created the problems, and not them...

 

[Mercuttio]

Sovkiller, you're grasping at straws. I was at the national conference and it had a fantastic person moderating just the conversation between those there. As good as the moderators are on Head-Fi (some of the best I've seen on messageboards) it would be an incredible strain on them to figure out where they are on the slippery slope that you are suggesting.

And still, I don't see why you'd be defending this guy. There was one person at the National Meet whom I did not like, and it was the Sennheiser rep. He wasn't a designer, he was someone who was there to sell his product. He made Sennheiser look bad, and I think our Ultrasone friend is a similar situation.

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by Mercuttio Sovkiller, you're grasping at straws. I was at the national conference and it had a fantastic person moderating just the conversation between those there. As good as the moderators are on Head-Fi (some of the best I've seen on messageboards) it would be an incredible strain on them to figure out where they are on the slippery slope that you are suggesting. And still, I don't see why you'd be defending this guy. There was one person at the National Meet whom I did not like, and it was the Sennheiser rep. He wasn't a designer, he was someone who was there to sell his product. He made Sennheiser look bad, and I think our Ultrasone friend is a similar situation.

Do not misunderstood me, I'm not defending anybody, I'm defending the freedom that people has to talk and express their opinion in a public forum (in case they are honest persons) if any other member were in that same position I would do the same...
But I do not know this guy neither, but OTOH he has not proved me that he is trying to sell anything yet, and I think that unless a person prove that is acting in a dishonest way, that person deserves a chance and an opportunity to be heard...Why not?

And please do not compare that fantastic guy that was moderating that conference there at the National meeting, with the head-fi moderators we had here, which dedication and good faith has been proved over the years, and which do their jobs completely voluntarily, and without asking anything in exchange...I have the best of the opinions about them, and as you stated if that will cause them problems, i would not like them to be in that position neither, so be it...peace!!!

Honestly, I don't know where this guy came from, of whom he is to had deserved that remarked position there, as moderator, as I have never heard of him before here in headfi, and he has no remarked participation here neither, if any, but if you asked me, I would liked that any other person really involved with the head-fi community, and with headphones in general, would have done it instead. Honestly Tyll, Aaron, Jude, Wayne, Hirsh, or any other mod from here, would do a lot better job that he did...Sorry I did not like that guy a little bit, to much chit chat, and nothing at the end...but that is my personal perception, and maybe he is, as you said a fantastic person, just that he looked a little odd to me, and IIRC he was also in another meeting I was in before, that is the only two times I have seen of heard about this guy in my life...he could be the best editor of an audio magazine, or the best friend of Bill Gates, or maybe the owner of the NY Times, but here in head-fi he is absolutelly nobody.....IMO of course, and it is not the first time I'm wrong on something. so....

And we have still a few questions unanswered from those manufacturers, from that same conference, at least I still have a few, that I do not think that anybody else could answer properly, and they go from design, to even ridiculously high price points...

 

[shplorgh]

Are you really naive enough to think that manufacturers should be allowed to extol the virtues of their own products in regular threads?

 

[Jonny G]

Mercuttio, I dont know what I did to rub you the wrong way, so please, take it easy. As I've said before, in no way, shape or form have I or will I try to sell anything on these forums, nor will I try to sway people away from other brands, or badmouth any other headphones.

Just to clarify, I have sampled quite a bit of the competition, of course....it's good to know what the other sound like, so I know what I'm talking about when I speak of Ultrasone.

In addition, as I've stated before...I'm pretty much the only member here that has sampled all of the products from Ultrasone, so IMHO, I would be a good source of information on any of the products. That being said, I must limit myself to FACT only, as any of my opinions on the product would obviously come off as biased. So if someone asks "what should I get? AKG or Ultrasone?" and I come in pushing Ultrasone, well, obviously, thats out of line. But if someone asks what type of drivers the PROline 2500 has, or needs some info on the different models, I do not see why it is a problem for me to step in.