Aug 24, 2012 at 11:30 AM Post #9,121 of 11,346
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The thing is, that wire is very light, and even kinda soft too, even though the insulator is made of rubber(I think)
 
I thought about asking there, but to be specifically used with T50RP, that's why I asked here. I'll try asking there


i can't recall anyone recabling their t50s with pure silver cable ... you might be the first in these threads ... but be aware that pure silver seems to put the emphasis and extension in the highs and not so much the lows.  why don't you try it and report back ... but don't solder directly onto the 'pads'
 
Aug 24, 2012 at 11:41 AM Post #9,122 of 11,346
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i can't recall anyone recabling their t50s with pure silver cable ... you might be the first in these threads ... but be aware that pure silver seems to put the emphasis and extension in the highs and not so much the lows.  why don't you try it and report back ... but don't solder directly onto the 'pads'

 
Really? Well then, let me take the first jump then. I'm planning to make it detachable, but without a proper guide, I can't start as of yet
 
If I make a detachable with this cable, what type of cable should I use for the cable that connects to the headphones?
 
And I'm not sure how to divide this wire since it has 7 cores
 
Aug 24, 2012 at 2:15 PM Post #9,123 of 11,346
Hi guys, I just received a modded pair of the T50RP's yesterday and I am wondering why they are so hard to drive. The box says they are something like ~50 ohms so pretty low impedance but on my PPA, I have to turn it to the 10:30 mark to get to a comfortable listening level. Compare this to my DT 880 (600 ohm) which is the same volume around 9 o clock? Or the V-Moda M-80's which are loud around 7 o clock (dial starts at 6).
 
This is not a problem since I still have a lot of room to spare in the potentiometer but I am just curious.
 
Aug 24, 2012 at 2:22 PM Post #9,124 of 11,346
First of all the resistance of the headphone isn't the governing factor, the efficiency is.  Secondly, most modding of the 50rp involves increasing the internal damping of phone which will reduce the efficiency.
 
 
Aug 24, 2012 at 6:04 PM Post #9,126 of 11,346
Grodan Rock Wool now readily available for reasonable prices. Look for 4x4x3 inch cubes in 6-packs Without holes or this one  ------>  Link   Easily cut for custom fit.  
 
wje recommends covering rock wool with cheese cloth or similar material to avoid a mess. Great idea. I've got some extra Organdi that will work just fine.
 
Sources for popular Modding Materials ---> Go to the bottom of Post # 1 of my "Incremental Mods and Measurements" thread Here.
 
Aug 24, 2012 at 7:26 PM Post #9,127 of 11,346
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Grodan Rock Wool now readily available for reasonable prices. Look for 4x4x3 inch cubes in 6-packs Without holes or this one  ------>  Link   Easily cut for custom fit.  
 
wje recommends covering rock wool with cheese cloth or similar material to avoid a mess. Great idea. I've got some extra Organdi that will work just fine.

I have a new set of T50RP modded with this stuff. It really is satisfying. Mops up the resonance in the cup nicely with out dramatically reducing the overall efficiency. 
 
Currently:
  1. AcousticPack Lite and adhesive felt in the cups.
  2. Tungsten (Newplast equivalent) in the baffles. 
  3. One-cm-thick slab of rockwool to fill the remainder of the cup.
  4. 3.5 x 3.5 cm^2 piece of stiff felt over the driver with small patch (roughly 1 cm x 3 cm) of Transpore stuck between felt and the white driver paper.
  5. Stock cup vent felt and baffle hole
  6. 840 pads. 
 
Aug 24, 2012 at 11:07 PM Post #9,128 of 11,346
anyone tried the Roxxul stuff think it is also a rockwool-type insulation. See if I can grab a sample and compare density of the denseness
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Aug 24, 2012 at 11:42 PM Post #9,129 of 11,346
Roxxul website has the densities listed. Some of the products also have absorption coefficients listed (though for construction thicknesses).
 
Never seen smaller sized packages so I never tried :S
 
P.S. nick, from what kind of store do I buy more of those foam sheets you sent me?
 
Aug 25, 2012 at 12:08 AM Post #9,130 of 11,346
hmm was it the Creatology stuff about 1/8 inch thick? If so that's at Michaels Craft Stores here in Canada and US.  Let me know if it was that stuff or the Acousti 3 layer which I got from the States.
 
Aug 25, 2012 at 1:00 AM Post #9,131 of 11,346
I corresponded with the folks at Grodan, the hydroponics people. They said they are part of Rockwool International, which also owns Roxul here in Canada and Rockfon acoustic products. 
 
They said that their hydroponic cubes and slabs have a density of around 70 kg/m^3. In case you're really keen, here's a chart of coefficient of sound absorption that'll help you put that density into context relative to purpose-built acoustic products made of rock wool.    
 
Aug 25, 2012 at 3:31 PM Post #9,133 of 11,346
send me a PM.
 
Aug 25, 2012 at 5:22 PM Post #9,134 of 11,346
I have spent the last month or so comparing modded T50RPs to HE-6s, here is my review.
 
I purchased HDMan’s T50RP a while ago, reading that modded T50RPs come close to LCD2s. I made one additional modification, shortening the cable and terminating it into a 4 pin XLR connection.  
HE-6 are unmodified but using the Hifiman Leather Pads
 
You can read up on HDMan's modifications here:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/583371/t50-response
http://www.head-fi.org/t/452404/just-listened-to-some-fostex-t50rps-today-wow/5175#post_7932721
 
err I just noticed he is now Banned...hopefully I'm not breaking any rules.
 
Source is Windows 7 64bit--> Foobar --> Audio GD DI --> Audio GD NFB-11 via BNC --> Yamaha RX-v1067 using Zone 2 speaker taps -->Hifiman HE-Adapter (4 pin XLR) --> Headphones
 
Let’s start with comfort, headphones are comfy to wear, they are both light weight, and I can wear them for hours on end without any comfort issues, but  after a while with the T50RP, my ears can get a little sweaty, where this does not happen with the HE-6.The cabling on the modded T50RP is much more substantial than the HE-6 Cable which is very thin and seems fragile in comparison.
The HE-6 is also much harder to drive, requiring much more power than the T50RP, I have read that the T50RP when modded are less efficient, but when compared to the HE-6 they are very efficient. However, the T50RP might not be usable for portable use, I originally bought them to be used on the go, but I couldn’t find anything short of large “transportable” amps that could power them to reasonable levels, and that just makes it too much of a hassle to carry around IMO.
 
Songs I used to A/B. This is for information purposes only, as going into details about each song does nothing to change the overall sound signature from each headphone.
 
Karl Wolf – DJ Gonna Save Us
Charice – Reset
Charice – One Day
Michael Jackson – Billie Jean
Santana – Maria Maria
Far East Movement – Live My Life
Nelly – Just a Dream
Eminem  ft Rihanna – Love the way you lie
Bruno Mars – Just the way you are
London Philharmonic Orchestra – Legend of Zelda Suite
 
Sound impressions:
 
Listening to the T50RP first, I can say I felt these headphones sound amazing. Everything feels balanced, there is quite a bit of energy, and there are a good amount of details. Vocals are amazing, instruments have good separation, and they sound neutral to my ears. The T50RP sound similar in a way to the HE-6 in that they are neutral, and have good energy, and convey a good amount of details.
 
But when doing an A/B comparison with the HE-6 the first things you notice as soon as you plug the HE-6 in is…that it’s much quieter…oops going to need to turn up the volume. Once you do that though, everything is better with the HE-6. The T50RPare like having slightly dirty glasses, everything looks fine still, but as soon as you clean them, things are just that much better, and that’s the HE-6. Soundstage is far wider, there is a more 3D-like sound, the sound envelops you, there are some details in the music that were *just* there with the T50RP that are now crystal clear with the HE-6. The T50RP feels compressed and restricted compared to the HE-6, this is the best I can describe the sound.
 
The HE-6 when directly compared to the T50RP can be said to be a brighter headphone, but it doesn’t tell the whole story. The HE-6 are brighter and more sibilant (the T50RP are as well, but the HE-6 are noticeably more sibilant), but it doesn’t lose any impact from the bass or energy in the low and mid-range when compared to the T50RP, in fact in some songs, it has *more* impact. It’s like the T50RP is rolled off in the higher frequencies when compared to the HE-6. I do not have any graphs, so I can’t really say 100% this is just based on my ears.
 
Now it is clear that I much prefer the HE-6, and the HE-6 seem to respond very well to EQ, which can tone down some of the brightness which could be the only flaw when compared to the T50RP, where there is no EQ that can bring the T50RP up to the level of the HE-6.
Does that mean the T50RP are a bad headphone? No in fact I think this was an unfair comparison, the HE-6 are far more expensive than the T50RP even when modded, and although IMO the differences are quite obvious, the price difference may not be worth the level of improvement.
 
I decided to conduct a little social experiment. I gathered a bunch of my friends that I would describe as “music lovers” but not “audiophiles” I had them try on the T50RP (using their own music), and basically all of them were blown away. Then I had them try on the HE-6 and they were once again blown away although some mentioned the brightness (which when tuned with EQ) they were very happy. Then I presented the prices of each headphones, basically everyone said yeah they would pay the price that I paid for the T50RP, or the cost of new T50RP + mods (don’t forget in Australia T50RPs are far more expensive than they are overseas!) but not one person said they would pay what the HE-6 costs.  Their reasoning the T50RP sounds better than basically everything else they’ve listened to, and cheaper than some of the stuff they’ve already bought ($500 Dr. Dre beats anyone?)
 
Based on this little social experiment, I feel the modded T50RP are some of the best value if not the best value headphones you can get, esp if you can get the North American pricing on them.
 
Aug 25, 2012 at 5:41 PM Post #9,135 of 11,346
I enjoyed your write up. I find it interested to compare the t50 ($130 with mods) to a $1300 hp. Just add a zero and you're there!! I have a pair of modded t50 and think that they sound wonderful. I have not heard the he6, but have owned the he400 and 500. My frugal nature does not allow me to enjoy hp's that cost more than about $500. The guilt factor is just too high for me. My he400 cost me $360 shipped. My d5k cost $385 shipped. And the modded t50 was $130 with mods. 
 
When the t50 is modded correctly, I think that it's possibly the best deal in headphones. 
 

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