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If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

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  1. twiceboss
    There's one on reddit for er2se and er2xr. Massive hump on er2xr that's why it's boomy.

    I have read impression that has both er2 and er3, in this forum, er2 seems a bit more clean and er3 is lil bit dirtier. Basically if u want a clean mids, don't buy XR version.
  2. guicnovaes
    I highly disagree about it. As you can see in this graph, is true that there's a hump on Bass, but the mids are untouched.

    ER2XR vs ER2SE.png

    So, some can perceive the mids as a little more upfront on the SE, compared to the XR, due to the less bass. But, there's nothing about the mids being dirty on the XR version. The same can be told about the ER4 and ER3 brothers.
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2019
  3. arrowheads
    That's called auditory masking.
  4. twiceboss
    oh god, you cant have the best of mids if you have bump on bass. Unless you have something like KSE1200. A super stupid fast driver. We are talking about top of the line mids here
  5. guicnovaes
    Can you explain the relationship between "fast drivers", Mid-range performance and bass quantity?
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2019
  6. twiceboss
    Fast driver can handle many freqs at the same time without bleeding to any other freqs.
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  7. guicnovaes
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  8. castleofargh Contributor
    my guess is that this is a very crude oversimplification or just a false idea. or maybe you're talking only about subjective impression of speed, which can have many causes related or not to actual max speed of the driver?
  9. twiceboss
    that's the oversimplification for someone that has no idea on it. I dont think giving the whole story is a good way to let him know else it sounds overwhelming. Let things one by one for someone to absorb!
  10. guicnovaes

    I think I'm not the "someone who has no idea on it"...

    There's no need for ultra-fast drivers (like the ones on the KSE 1200) for great Mid-Range performance, even when there's some Bass Hump. The Senheisers HD58X Jubilee, HD660S and HD650 use dynamic drivers not so fast, have Bass hump and deliver GREAT midrange performance. In addition, there is no interference of one frequency over the others.

    Besides that, there are several IEM examples as well, such as the Etymotic XRs, Tanchjim Cora, Tanchjim Oxygen, Moondrop Kanas Pro, Sony MH1C ...

    In addition, I doubt that the Shure KSE 1200 has better Mid-Range performance (more correct mids) than an etymotic ER3XR, for example, regardless of driver speed, with a graphic like this:

  11. twiceboss
    i dont want to comment much if dont even get hands on them.
    Kanas Pro is nowhere near mids of KSE. I had it. Ask someone who u trust. Crin maybe? KSE graph is different from the other graph. It will not look the same as the others. I have to admit that er-se series has the similarities in mids but if you are saying KPE has better mids compare to KSE, that's a lot more u need to hear before jumping into a conclusion. Cheers!
  12. JohnYang1997
    Kse is the one that has high distortion and dip around 4khz.
  13. guicnovaes
    I talked about the ER3XR vs the KSE, but i believe the KPE has more correct mids than the KSE too. I'm not talking here about details, transients and things like that. Frequency Response, for me, is the main thing to look at.

    I use Crin Graphs as Reference, but a i disagree with a lot of his reviews; we have different opinons about some characteristic, so i don't rely on his reviews.

    About Graphs, they are objective elements; unlike subjective opinions which are often contaminated by marketing bull, a lot of misconceptions and snake oil stuff.

    Graphics has proven me to be a great tool. They don't say everything about a Headphone/IEM, but they say the main thing, which is Frequency Response and Tonal Balance.
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 13, 2019
  14. twiceboss
    i understand about the graph. I use the graph all the time too. But sometimes graph doesnt do justice for everything. It's more like a flavor instead of the true sound. I bought KPE with a mind of clear mids and a mild of good bass but the mids are not clear define as er series. The upper midbass really bothers the mids. About the ER3XR and KSE, ive said in the post already. The mids of etys is like KSE. Clean sounding but to have the best mids of ER series, the SE version is the best since the bass is not overbearing the mids. KSE in the graph looks like a hump on bass but in reality the bass is really tight. It doesnt look like in the graph. Which make the mids alone. That's why i prefer the er2se rather than er2xr. Hope people understand my words. My mother tongue is not english so bear with me!
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  15. ClieOS Contributor
    Please keep the discussion civilized. You don't have to agree others' opinion, but at least respect them.
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