HiFiMan Susvara
Dec 2, 2021 at 9:01 AM Post #12,752 of 13,968

sahmen

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Apr 6, 2014
Posts
2,520
Likes
1,993
To all the fans of EQ out there, does the newly released beast of Schiit Loki Max check all the boxes for EQ done manually (by ear) and done right?

loki%20max%20front%201920.jpg


loki%20max%20back%201920.jpg



loki%20max%20detail%201%201920.jpg


I have been wondering whether this might be worth considering as a one-stop EQ solution for my main speaker rig, which is also integrated with one of my main headphone rigs, so that I might use the Loki Max to control both. At present, the only EQ I am using is the Roon parametric system, which seems more than okay for my own rather limited use cases. i have not ruled out the possibility that a more savvy system such as a Loki Max (that is, if it is indeed "more savvy") might unlock some valuable EQ "secrets" yet unknown to a largely uninitiated enthusiast, such as myself, which is why I am asking.
 
Last edited:
Dec 2, 2021 at 9:15 AM Post #12,754 of 13,968

Sound Eq

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Nov 9, 2013
Posts
10,773
Likes
2,245
Yes, the new visual style is more conservative so many people would probably find it more universal, but if your amp sounds great it doesn't matter all that much how it looks like. Also, great visuals won't work if performance isn't there.



If I may ask, is Pro iDSD in its solid-state mode?
yes in solid state mode
 
Dec 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM Post #12,755 of 13,968

LarsMan

100+ Head-Fier
Joined
Feb 3, 2021
Posts
348
Likes
400
Location
San Francisco, CA
Yes, the new visual style is more conservative so many people would probably find it more universal, but if your amp sounds great it doesn't matter all that much how it looks like. Also, great visuals won't work if performance isn't there.



If I may ask, is Pro iDSD in its solid-state mode?
Oh, I didn't phrase that very well. When I said the sound was so good you didn't notice it, I didn't mean the appearance of the amp, I meant the transparent sound of it, like the signal was going right from the preamp to the speakers, but louder. In my case, I've got a Herron Audio tube preamp, which doesn't sound (or look) 'tube-y' at all and is also very transparent, so the coloration being done after the source is by my DAC and my speakers, and I like how they sound....
 
Dec 2, 2021 at 3:04 PM Post #12,756 of 13,968

Tachyon88

100+ Head-Fier
Joined
Oct 19, 2020
Posts
457
Likes
444
Location
USA
To all the fans of EQ out there, does the newly released beast of Schiit Loki Max check all the boxes for EQ done manually (by ear) and done right?

loki%20max%20front%201920.jpg


loki%20max%20back%201920.jpg



loki%20max%20detail%201%201920.jpg


I have been wondering whether this might be worth considering as a one-stop EQ solution for my main speaker rig, which is also integrated with one of my main headphone rigs, so that I might use the Loki Max to control both. At present, the only EQ I am using is the Roon parametric system, which seems more than okay for my own rather limited use cases. i have not ruled out the possibility that a more savvy system such as a Loki Max (that is, if it indeed "more savvy") might unlock some valuable EQ "secrets" yet unknown to a largely uninitiated enthusiast, such as myself, which is why I am asking.

If you want to give up precision for knobs then go for it. Otherwise roon and free equalizer apo is superior.
 
Dec 2, 2021 at 3:32 PM Post #12,757 of 13,968
Joined
Mar 20, 2013
Posts
11,565
Likes
7,421
Location
Location: HQ in the UK, but spread far and wide.
Oh, I didn't phrase that very well. When I said the sound was so good you didn't notice it, I didn't mean the appearance of the amp, I meant the transparent sound of it, like the signal was going right from the preamp to the speakers, but louder. In my case, I've got a Herron Audio tube preamp, which doesn't sound (or look) 'tube-y' at all and is also very transparent, so the coloration being done after the source is by my DAC and my speakers, and I like how they sound....
Thanks for explaining what Pro iDSD does for you in your setup. If you like it in there, that's all that matters :beerchug:
 
iFi audio Stay updated on iFi audio at their sponsor profile on Head-Fi.
 
https://www.facebook.com/iFiAudio/ https://twitter.com/ifiaudio https://www.instagram.com/ifiaudio/ https://ifi-audio.com/ info@ifi-audio.com
Dec 2, 2021 at 5:10 PM Post #12,759 of 13,968

Ciggavelli

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Mar 24, 2019
Posts
1,614
Likes
2,979
Location
Houston
To all the fans of EQ out there, does the newly released beast of Schiit Loki Max check all the boxes for EQ done manually (by ear) and done right?

loki%20max%20front%201920.jpg


loki%20max%20back%201920.jpg



loki%20max%20detail%201%201920.jpg


I have been wondering whether this might be worth considering as a one-stop EQ solution for my main speaker rig, which is also integrated with one of my main headphone rigs, so that I might use the Loki Max to control both. At present, the only EQ I am using is the Roon parametric system, which seems more than okay for my own rather limited use cases. i have not ruled out the possibility that a more savvy system such as a Loki Max (that is, if it is indeed "more savvy") might unlock some valuable EQ "secrets" yet unknown to a largely uninitiated enthusiast, such as myself, which is why I am asking.
I'm intriqued, but I wonder if there is a sound quality loss by putting it in your chain? Like does passing through the Loki Max affect the sound quality (aside from the EQ of course) :thinking:
 
Dec 2, 2021 at 6:01 PM Post #12,760 of 13,968

FLTWS

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
May 1, 2016
Posts
3,055
Likes
5,015
Location
USA EST
It depends on whether any small hit, if any, to SQ is more than compensated for by your being able to make the sound to your liking by adjusting the frequency response at various points.

The addition of Lokius 20Hz contouring when I listen to any of my amps with the SR1a allows me to enjoy a more satisfying presentation.
But every individual has to make that decision for themselves. Over 5 decades I've gone thru several flip flops of purist listener to frequency response twiddler as suits my personal preferences at those times and to compensate for short comings in the recorded SQ or something else in the chain, usually the transducer.
It's supposed to be about enjoyment, how you get there is up to you. Loki Max with its remote capabilities could really be a nice tweak with 2 channel speakers and the ability to dial in the sound from one's listening chair and attempt to compensate for room interaction effects. And, of course there is always the "Bypass" switch.

Many listeners contend that they want perfectly flat frequency response but when confronted with it generally don't like it at all. Too many variations in recorded quality and transducer reproduction can make for a challenging listening experience. Some recordings get by fine in purist mode, some recordings need all the help they can get.
 
Dec 2, 2021 at 10:15 PM Post #12,762 of 13,968

llamaluv

1000+ Head-Fier
Joined
Nov 23, 2017
Posts
1,240
Likes
1,988
Location
NYC
It's the only way to insure your not misinterpreting what your hearing. When comparing amps a relatively cheap sound level meter will do the job just fine (say $75.00 and under).

Once you've positioned the SLM and the phones and make a measurement the actual number in db's is not that important, all that's important is that you do not move the HP relative to the SLM, only move the amp end connector and that both amps measurements are the same. I usually set one of the amps volume at a level I would normally listen to that music at and then measure and match it to the other amp. It's perhaps not surprising that recorded volume levels can vary significantly from one recording to the next and may entail a reset when changing to a different recording. I've even run into this issue on "compilations" from different recordings.

Once the levels are matched (I usually can get to amps to precisely identical db readings or within one tenth of a db) it's interesting to note how many big differences become much smaller.
Fully agree with this.

I did exactly what you described when doing a recent amp comparison (Bakoon R13 vs CFA3). Getting two amplifiers level-matched to under 0.1dB is satisfying, and worth the bother. One less variable to worry about!

I used a 440-A test tone, though there are of course pluses and minuses to any choice regarding this. I tried using a pink noise track in the past, but the resulting SPL was too unstable...
 
Dec 2, 2021 at 10:22 PM Post #12,763 of 13,968

nwavesailor

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Nov 14, 2009
Posts
2,130
Likes
1,800
I use the Schiit Loki+ (and I have a Lokius--haven't switched it in yet): I like it very much, listening with my HE1000SE (and others). I find it is worth it. I don't find there to be any significant degradation in sound quality. None whatsoever really. It's only an improvement for me and my listening.
Perhaps the Lokius or Max would be an easy way for me to check out a EQ for Sus and LCD-5 without getting Roon or some other EQ. I don't need another remote but storing settings and adjusting from my listening position for 3 hp might be helpful.

It wonder if anyone has a Max that has used the Lokius?
 
Last edited:
Dec 2, 2021 at 11:57 PM Post #12,764 of 13,968

LarsMan

100+ Head-Fier
Joined
Feb 3, 2021
Posts
348
Likes
400
Location
San Francisco, CA
Something to try out. I know I connected my BelCanto S300 that’s 150 watts per channel with great results. Just watch that volume knob.
Hah! No, I was being facetious. I would never do anything like that. And my Audis Nirvana tube headphone amp drives my Susvaras just fine; that's what it was designed to do....
 
Dec 3, 2021 at 4:44 AM Post #12,765 of 13,968

TheAttorney

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
May 25, 2008
Posts
1,689
Likes
755
Location
UK
I'm intriqued, but I wonder if there is a sound quality loss by putting it in your chain? Like does passing through the Loki Max affect the sound quality (aside from the EQ of course) :thinking:
The 3 s/w PEQs I've tried all downgraded SQ to an unacceptable level for me (as previously posted on the HEK threads). This includes Roon's PEQ which is the app I'm currently using. The Loki Max has a good chance of doing better on the SQ front, but it has 2 big negatives for me:

1, Too big a gap between the 2kHz and 6kHz bands - this is where many headphones have very audible FR issues. I feel there really should have been at least a 4kHz band in between.
2. As a downsizer, I don't like the idea of adding in an extra box, plus interconnects, plus power cord.

Apart from that, the Loki Max looks very interesting.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top