[MattTCG]

  Frank said he will soon publish his comprehensive writeup with HE560 and how it matches against competitive planars/cans in general, I think that'll quench the thirst for everyone for a little while.

 
Perfect. Looking forward to Frank's review. 

 

[henwell]

 

  Frank said he will soon publish his comprehensive writeup with HE560 and how it matches against competitive planars/cans in general, I think that'll quench the thirst for everyone for a little while.

 
Perfect. Looking forward to Frank's review. 

+1

 

[daerron]

  Frank said he will soon publish his comprehensive writeup with HE560 and how it matches against competitive planars/cans in general, I think that'll quench the thirst for everyone for a little while.

 
It's difficult to draw conclusions from pre-release headphones that might still change from the production version. Its difficult to figure out what will pop out at the end and once we start comparing modded to modded headphones then all bets are off. 
 
Personally I attach more value to impressions from owners who purchased the headphones. Spending one's hard earned money makes you more critical of the gear you purchase which is usually worth waiting a couple of months. I waited a couple of months with the LCD-X for this reason and I would feel quite comfortable with buying them now with the information that is available.

 

[ThurstonX]

  Should I buy one then if I already have HE500?

 
Yes, you should, and after ~50 hours, you should realize they're just not for you, and then PM me with a nice offer 

 

[wewewho77]

Yes, you should, and after ~50 hours, you should realize they're just not for you, and then PM me with a nice offer 

LOL

 

[kernel8888]

im particularly curious about some of the treble qualities of the he-560 vs he-400/he-6. The he-400 has a distinct tizz that can be reduced with jergpads and proper amping, but it is still there nontheless. The he-6 is reported to have it when not amped properly, and the he-500 has it but to a notably less degree than the previous 2.

This really requires comparing the he-560 to a non-tizzy phone like a sennheiser hd6xx, maybe even the he-500. I'm just curious with the more present treble, does the he-560 retain much of the "tizz" or is the timbre a bit more natural than the other hifiman's? Not sure if Jerg or Edwood or anyone else who has actually heard the hp can note on the treble qualities, particularly "spikes" that may become more problematic at loud volumes as well as overall tone and timbre, specifically the tizzy quality of the hifiman line.

 

[conquerator2]

im particularly curious about some of the treble qualities of the he-560 vs he-400/he-6. The he-400 has a distinct tizz that can be reduced with jergpads and proper amping, but it is still there nontheless. The he-6 is reported to have it when not amped properly, and the he-500 has it but to a notably less degree than the previous 2.

This really requires comparing the he-560 to a non-tizzy phone like a sennheiser hd6xx, maybe even the he-500. I'm just curious with the more present treble, does the he-560 retain much of the "tizz" or is the timbre a bit more natural than the other hifiman's? Not sure if Jerg or Edwood or anyone else who has actually heard the hp can note on the treble qualities, particularly "spikes" that may become more problematic at loud volumes as well as overall tone and timbre, specifically the tizzy quality of the hifiman line.

HiFiMAN tizzy? That's news to me!
I always thought HiFiMAN treble is just well extended, too much extension/brightness possibly but tizzy?
I owned the HE-6 and it never exhibited such traits...

 

[jerg]

  HiFiMAN tizzy? That's news to me!
I always thought HiFiMAN treble is just well extended, too much extension/brightness possibly but tizzy?
I owned the HE-6 and it never exhibited such traits...

HE400 is quite tizzy, partly because of the 10k~13kHz emphasis, but also because of the depression in the upper mids / lower treble which further accentuates the tizz.

 

[electropop]

  HE400 is quite tizzy, partly because of the 10k~13kHz emphasis, but also because of the depression in the upper mids / lower treble which further accentuates the tizz.

 
Yes this was my main problem with the HE400. The depression is anything but marginal and that emphasis really sticks out. Listening to jazz, you're kind of confused at the attenuation of what you should be hearing and further annoyed by many of the cymbal and brass harmonics striking at you with biting attack. A bit of a genre picky headphone I would say, at least as stock.

 

[conquerator2]

  HE400 is quite tizzy, partly because of the 10k~13kHz emphasis, but also because of the depression in the upper mids / lower treble which further accentuates the tizz.

I wanted to point the HE-400 as the odd-one-out possibly :]

 

[headphonatic]

HiFiMAN tizzy? That's news to me!
I always thought HiFiMAN treble is just well extended, too much extension/brightness possibly but tizzy?
I owned the HE-6 and it never exhibited such traits...

The He-6 has a lot more mid treble than the He-500, they also a have bit more 14 K. The He-6 has one of the most perculiar mid treble humps I've ever seen, 5-10 K sticks out like a shard of broken glass. It's an absolute wonder how the He-6's aren't sibilant or thin sounding.

 

[conquerator2]

The He-6 has a lot more mid treble than the He-500, they also a have bit more 14 K. The He-6 has one of the most perculiar mid treble humps I've ever seen, 5-10 K sticks out like a shard of broken glass. It's an absolute wonder how the He-6's aren't sibilant or thin sounding.

Which just proves that graphs don't always tell the whole truth

 

[Rudiger]

Sorry a little OT. I do not know where to post this, I'd like to know what Jerg thinks about this. 
I had a vision of the future: I think thant a good open headphone, to send audio correctly in all directions, should have an ovoid shape. A bit like the Alpha dog if you want but with holes.... errrh... grid... (sorry i'm french). ...As open as they are designed, opened headphones are currently FLAT (on the edges) and so they can send audio only in a straight line. no ?
[thanx to google for this horrible translation, is this understandable ?]
Cool, In ten years I would return you guys to this post and say that I launched this idea. (just kidding but...)
 
Edit : Oh, maybe a Planar ovoid would not be simple to conceive ...

 

[lewis91]

im particularly curious about some of the treble qualities of the he-560 vs he-400/he-6. The he-400 has a distinct tizz that can be reduced with jergpads and proper amping, but it is still there nontheless. The he-6 is reported to have it when not amped properly, and the he-500 has it but to a notably less degree than the previous 2.

This really requires comparing the he-560 to a non-tizzy phone like a sennheiser hd6xx, maybe even the he-500. I'm just curious with the more present treble, does the he-560 retain much of the "tizz" or is the timbre a bit more natural than the other hifiman's? Not sure if Jerg or Edwood or anyone else who has actually heard the hp can note on the treble qualities, particularly "spikes" that may become more problematic at loud volumes as well as overall tone and timbre, specifically the tizzy quality of the hifiman line.

+1, wondering especially how the treble compares to he400 using the new design of pads / jerg.
 
I'm still weighing up if i should upgrade from my he400, One thing i sure miss the comfort of my pc360 !

 

[conquerator2]

  Sorry a little OT. I do not know where to post this, I'd like to know what Jerg thinks about this. 
I had a vision of the future: I think thant a good open headphone, to send audio correctly in all directions, should have an ovoid shape. A bit like the Alpha dog if you want but with holes.... errrh... grid... (sorry i'm french). ...As open as they are designed, opened headphones are currently FLAT and so they can send audio only in a straight line. no ?
[thanx to google for this horrible translation, is this understandable ?]

It is understandable but I am not sure that's how headphones work
You might as well argue the same with a circular form.
Oval drivers are in general harder to manufacture and therefore are used less [from what I understand].
I prefer circular headphones but it's not something I'd base my purchase on.
I have my doubts about the PM-1/2 but I'll stay silent and wait for impressions.