MattTCG
Headphoneus Supremus
- Joined
- Jan 22, 2012
- Posts
- 15,685
- Likes
- 3,874
Did you have the odac and SA31 before with the he400? Or did you have the nfb5?
To me, it's like I'm not wearing headphones (at least compared to other headphones). The sound is very enveloping, and projects around you more than something more typical out of other cans. There is a sense of space around instruments, and presented in more layers and from different locations around you. It ain't exactly virtual surround, but it's still very atypical of headphones.
It's not something as simple as having a large soundstage or imaging. Not easily defined. I've had headphones with huge soundstages (considerably larger than the HE400s), but they still sounded like headphones.
I know there is some evidence of burn in, that thing tyll did with the akgs a while back.
There is evidence of brain burn in (to a degree) the brain adjusts itself constantly. When someone's ear get damaged, and can only hear about 50%, a couple of weeks later that individual will regain 90% of his hearing capabilities. This is not because the ear heals itself, but because the brain adjusts for the damaged ear. I think this is a pretty extreme case of brain burn in.
Also the 'proven' burn in of the akgs tyll did, were not severe at all looking at the before and after frequency response. The difference could even be caused by a slight misplacing of the headphone on the dummy head. As a scientist I would not call it proven. IF there aren't any other actual experiments.
Are the HE-400 worth selling/trading my AKG K550's for? I really like my 550's, but I've never been able to spend a prolonged amount of time with a open back design and I've been interested for a while now. Plus, I don't have the cash for them, so the only way I could afford a pair is if I sold my AKG's. Any help in the area would be greatly appreciated!
Driver burn in. That laughable topic of discussion.
Always positive. Burn in adds bass to bass light headphones.
Burn in reduces bass bloat of bassy headphones.
Burn in lifts veils of treble deficient headphones.
Burn in smooths headphones with sharp treble.
In short, it always adds whatever is missing, and takes away whatever is abundant and negative.
This is why this burn in nonsense needs to go away. Yes, drivers do change with use, but those thinking that the change is consistent and always positive needs a reality check.
It is absolute bullsh*t that needs to disappear. There is no magical or even minute change that magically makes a certain headphone better. You hear a difference because you WANT to hear a difference.
Enjoy your damn headphones, and let your ears adjust to them.
Can we please not turn this thread into a burn in exists vs. burn in doesnt exist debate please, thank you.
Are we talking about the upcoming Hobbit soundtrack?
Driver burn in. That laughable topic of discussion.
Always positive. Burn in adds bass to bass light headphones.
Burn in reduces bass bloat of bassy headphones.
Burn in lifts veils of treble deficient headphones.
Burn in smooths headphones with sharp treble.
In short, it always adds whatever is missing, and takes away whatever is abundant and negative.
This is why this burn in nonsense needs to go away. Yes, drivers do change with use, but those thinking that the change is consistent and always positive needs a reality check.
It is absolute bullsh*t that needs to disappear. There is no magical or even minute change that magically makes a certain headphone better. You hear a difference because you WANT to hear a difference.
Enjoy your damn headphones, and let your ears adjust to them.
I think you misunderstand me; I'm not a proponent of driver burn-in per say, or of brain-burn in either ( I'm an agnostic on this issue until real evidence rolls in, but note: I do favor the brain-burn in theory). With that said, please understand: folks who make the brain burn-in claim tend to think that they can make such claims with impunity and without the aid of the scientific method, while ridiculing the driver burn-in crowd for lack of evidence; that is the very definition of unfair, friend. The example you use above (in bold) is an example of brain plasticity, which is not really an example of brain-burn in at all, if we are going to adhere strictly to the term as we use it on head-fi. I know this subject is becoming verboden (I apologize for bringing it up again), but I think the point needs to be made. The so-called evidence for brain burn-in is all anecdotal (the same for drive burn-in too, mostly); that's to say, no one has attempted under strict scientific conditions to test this claim. If you know of a journal or scientific study that has tested brain burn-in as it strictly relates to our perception of audio, near-field audio in particular, please send that article to me--I would absolutely love to read it. (And I mean this in earnest too.) So once again, I think we should all keep an open mind on the subject or at least maintain an agnostic attitude. That's all I'm saying. Nothing controversial. Now back to the originally scheduled program: He-400 Love.