[Chaz1952]

I love the app as well. I believe the one of the right arrow will do it maybe the "dot right arrow".

 

[JoshG1217]

I've always been team Power Amp, but doing A/B with the Hiby App, the Hiby App sounds better. It's just clearer. I'm t am Hiby now. Haven't messed with Neutron too much, though when I did I found it confusing. Too many options and not that attractive of a UI. I was going to let the R6 go, but it's grown on me more and more.

 

[JoshG1217]

Battery question for you guys. The battery isn't great. With balanced cable, this thing went through 10% in 15 minutes. Anyone done anything to rig up a battery pack to it? Also, what are people using for covers? There seem to only be three options

 

[Mathieulh]

The issue with TIDAL and Qobuz not playing in native frequencies actually stems from the fact that a whitelist for DTA-enabled apps has been added in this version (and in the R6 pro RTM firmware), which however did not include TIDAL and Qobuz because the testing team were not aware of the latest developments in the apps which enabled native frequency output at various frequencies recently.

The whitelist itself was enacted because it was found that apps depending on DTA (whether the app is actually capable of output at multiple sample frequencies or not) were prone to problems in bluetooth and usb audio output. Thus the purpose of the whitelist is to list out apps that can actually output at multiple sample rates under DTA.

I pointed out that that would not solve said bluetooth and usb output problems for those whitelisted apps for those who do actually use those devices, but is on the other hand unnecessary for those who do not. My alternative proposal is a simple DTA master switch in settings (which may take a restart to take effect).

What are your thoughts on the matter?

We should just have a menu that lets us select which apps can use DTA, otherwise most apps can't, some apps like poweramps became useless because they aren't on the whitelist and we can't expect hiby developers to add all the possible apps in there, giving the user/consumers a choice seem to be the better option here.

 

[Joe Bloggs]

We should just have a menu that lets us select which apps can use DTA, otherwise most apps can't, some apps like poweramps became useless because they aren't on the whitelist and we can't expect hiby developers to add all the possible apps in there, giving the user/consumers a choice seem to be the better option here.

Hi Mathieulh,

The whitelist has been removed from the firmware in later versions. Poweramp can't use DTA because it doesn't have a mode where it sends audio data untouched to the altered audio stack. It resamples either to 44.1kHz (AudioTrack or OpenSL) (here they could have sent audio at the original rate and DTA could have taken care of things) or to some fixed high rate (say 192kHz) (Hi-Res output) (this conflicts with DTA so isn't really working)

Best regards,
Joe

 

[Mathieulh]

Hi Mathieulh,

The whitelist has been removed from the firmware in later versions. Poweramp can't use DTA because it doesn't have a mode where it sends audio data untouched to the altered audio stack. It resamples either to 44.1kHz (AudioTrack or OpenSL) (here they could have sent audio at the original rate and DTA could have taken care of things) or to some fixed high rate (say 192kHz) (Hi-Res output) (this conflicts with DTA so isn't really working)

Best regards,
Joe

Thank you for your swift reply. Is the whitelist gone from the R6 Pro as well? (Since that's what I am using).

Finally do you know why the previous and next buttons are inverted? This is somewhat annoying, if this is by design it would be nice you have the option to change the buttons order.
Also does the power saving feature do anything? I don't notice much change in how responsive the overall UI is or in audio quality while using it (or in power consumption for that matter). I haven't checked to see if the SOC's frequency is lower when the option is enabled.

 

[Joe Bloggs]

Yes the whitelist is gone from both the R6 and R6 pro.

Most people regard the previous and next buttons to be in the right order as is (especially in the sense that they match the direction of movement on a playlist), it is rather the direction the play button points that seem inverted to most. Unfortunately that is more of an error in the hardware plans that can't really be fixed.

Because the lion's share of the energy is used up by the headphone amps (which are not affected by the power saver), no, I wouldn't say the power saving feature is especially useful.

 

[odessamarin]

Sorry, could you explain about whitelist.
When you say it's gone, means now only HiBy native player is good to paly in DTA?
What about others Nwtrino, UAPP? he all will got trough Adroid now?

thank you

 

[Joe Bloggs]

Sorry, could you explain about whitelist.
When you say it's gone, means now only HiBy native player is good to paly in DTA?
What about others Nwtrino, UAPP? he all will got trough Adroid now?

thank you

Whitelist gone means it will try to push all apps through DTA, as before.

 

[odessamarin]

Perfect thx..
In line with some comments before.. would be grate to have small indicator on top to see whether app went trough DTA. This would be professional realization. And best AD for the player. You claim DTA technology and you show it implemantation!

 

[Joe Bloggs]

Perfect thx..
In line with some comments before.. would be grate to have small indicator on top to see whether app went trough DTA. This would be professional realization. And best AD for the player. You claim DTA technology and you show it implemantation!

All sound goes through DTA. The only question is whether the app may have resampled the audio internally before sending it over to the system. The system has no knowledge of that. What it does know is the sample rate of the audio it is pushing, and that is shown on the top bar.

 

[odessamarin]

I see.. thx

 

[Mathieulh]

@Joe Bloggs is there any plan for a bluetooth receiver feature? That's pretty much the only thing I am missing ever since I switched to the R6 Pro. That feature was actually very convenient to stream podcasts and whatnot from my phone without having to plug in my 4.4mm balanced IEMs on it through an adapter. (Or having to send the content directly to the R6)

One other thing I noticed is that the R6 Pro is very prone to interferences from the 1800 to 2500Mhz spectrum, which seems like a hardware design issue associated with what I believe would be inadequate shielding. I notice it especially on silent tracks while using LTE band 3 or 2.4Ghz wifi from a nearby phone that is actively transmitting data as far as 30cms away, especially when the signal gets weaker and thus the phone has to increase its baseband/wifi power output to communicate with the BTS/access point. The R6 Pro's wifi itself causes interferences to its own AMP to a lesser extent. This is a shame that it happens on a device of this price range that's dedicated to audio listening, one would have thought interferences shielding would be at the core of its design.

While I can l live with it, given the perks of the R6 Pro, this is still somewhat annoying, unfortunately it appears to be a design issue (correct me if I am wrong) and as such would likely plague all devices to some extent (some less or more than others), which would make replacing mine somewhat of a moot point until the design fault is resolved. It does not appear to be fixable by software either.

 

[Joe Bloggs]

@Mathieulh you may get in touch with your reseller (or service@hiby.com, if you bought directly from us) about getting a replacement unit. I don't think a nominal unit should be like this.

 

[Mathieulh]

@Mathieulh you may get in touch with your reseller (or service@hiby.com, if you bought directly from us) about getting a replacement unit. I don't think all units should be like this.

I bought it in Japan from Yodobashi Camera, the thing is, getting a replacement for anything in Japan is pretty much next to impossible because of very consumer unfriendly laws. I also don't live there year round making this even more difficult.