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Dec 21, 2021 at 6:07 PM Post #50,176 of 66,258
You can see it in the 6th picture. I’d originally ordered the medium soft case but Richard called me and said the RS1x required the large case and that there was not much size difference between them…however the medium was not big enough even with the stock pads.
Cool! I clicked on the pic and got a better look. Do they roll around in it or a pretty snug fit?

I have a set of Grado's but have never take them anywhere. Just too open for work or public, but I do like the case though.:relaxed:
 
Dec 21, 2021 at 7:03 PM Post #50,177 of 66,258
RS1x arrived this morning. Been debating buying Grados for about two decades now and finally pulled the trigger.
Now that ends a lot of emotional wear ‘n tear…🤪…!
 
Dec 21, 2021 at 7:05 PM Post #50,178 of 66,258
Cool! I clicked on the pic and got a better look. Do they roll around in it or a pretty snug fit?

I have a set of Grado's but have never take them anywhere. Just too open for work or public, but I do like the case though.:relaxed:
I like the large zipper cases. They accommodate the headphones + G-cushions and take up far less shelf space than the ‘white boxes’!
 
Dec 21, 2021 at 7:44 PM Post #50,179 of 66,258
What is your 'ultimate' headphone amp for grado's. Is their an amp with great pairing?

Over time I have used a lot of different amps. After the breakdown of my Hugo TT2 am struggling to see any high end amp necessary for my grado headphones.
My ultimate Grado amp is the one that is closest. 😄
 
Dec 22, 2021 at 12:25 AM Post #50,180 of 66,258
Vintage receiver or integrated amplifier / 1964-79 models. Pioneer, Sansui, Kenwood, Marantz, Fisher … are amongst the best. You can listen from the headphone output on a vintage amp as opposed to modern integrated amps. Vintage amps used resistors which were connected directly to the speaker tap which means you get the same sound as you do with speakers that is to say the sound of the amp itself. Modern amps use op-amps which are separate from the amp itself and generally don’t sound very good. In my case I don’t find any problems with my headphones w/ my vintage Kenwood KA-8006, 70wpc [1974], when it comes to their individual impedance. They all sound great w/ it.

Sorry, off topic side question here but since you mentioned vintage amps I wanted to ask…I have a mid-80’s Crown Straight Line & Power Line rack pre amp & power amp. my dad bought it new in the mid-80’s. I have it now and wonder if it needs a tune up or run through by a competent tech as it’s spent some time just sitting in closet unused. Any advice on what to look for in a business or person who could handle running through an 80’s old school rack stereo system? It works fine but it’s old enough it might benefit from a check up.

And it’s really fun to run the RS1x through that puppy! Just vinyl & cds now but once I finally decide on a dac I’ll stream through it too.

thanks
 
Dec 22, 2021 at 7:49 AM Post #50,182 of 66,258
RS1x arrived this morning. Been debating buying Grados for about two decades now and finally pulled the trigger.

Here are some unboxing photos. I got the G pads and Large case along with the headphones.
Great pics! Have you had time to compare the pads?
 
Dec 22, 2021 at 9:17 AM Post #50,183 of 66,258
Among the best sonic matches for Grado headphones I find the following choices worked quite well for me.

Joseph Grado Signature HPA-1
Maple Tree MADD Hd+
HeadAmp Gilmore Lite w/optional discreet regulated power supply
Violectric V200
TEAC HA-501
Schiit Lyr
Melos SHA-1
ALO PanAm, Passport, Gateway stack
ALO Continental v5 portable

Feliks Audio Euforia (had one on loan for a month). Wonderful amp with all my standard headphones. Securely at the top of my wish list). See below…..
I don't think I've seen a bad review or anyone have a negative about the Feliks Audio Euforia. Supposed to be good with the Empy's, and if it's good with Grado's I would want it. BUT it's $2600. This hobby sucks! money that is...
 
Dec 22, 2021 at 10:13 AM Post #50,184 of 66,258
Just a quick one while we're on the topic:

How does the Schiit Modi/Magni stack pair with the GS1000e's? I'm tempted by their low output impedance and AKM based DAC. I'm curious as to how resolving they are, how detailed they are, and their overall tonality.

The Marantz is pretty holographic, it really puts you in the music but I'm maybe looking for a touch more warmth overall (without going tube) without losing detail.

I would consider the Ifi ZenCan but the imbalance on low volume would bother me, plus, I doubt it would be as resolving as something like the Marantz/Schiit.
 
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Dec 22, 2021 at 11:19 AM Post #50,185 of 66,258
Just a quick one while we're on the topic:

How does the Schiit Modi/Magni stack pair with the GS1000e's? I'm tempted by their low output impedance and AKM based DAC. I'm curious as to how resolving they are, how detailed they are, and their overall tonality.

The Marantz is pretty holographic, it really puts you in the music but I'm maybe looking for a touch more warmth overall (without going tube) without losing detail.

I would consider the Ifi ZenCan but the imbalance on low volume would bother me, plus, I doubt it would be as resolving as something like the Marantz/Schiit.
I have the Modi 3+ and the Magni Heresy (op amp). It pairs ok, maybe a little too bright for me and the Grado's in general. Detail is no slouch with the GS1000e. If I go to loud on the volume, things fall apart slightly. I have not heard the Marantz you have, but I doubt the Schiit stack would be an improvement, from what I've read about the HD-DAC1. There is a channel imbalance at low volumes, but really low...just moving the pot from say 7 (which is about the beginning) to say 8. But I think your going to get channel imbalance at low volujmes from any SS amp.
 
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Dec 22, 2021 at 11:35 AM Post #50,186 of 66,258
Yeah the Marantz is good as there's little to no channel imbalance that I can discern, if there is it's way too low a volume to listen to anyway.

It was just a thought as there's a few Schiit stacks that crop up on eBay almost daily.

Thanks for your input, I think unless I see something at a bargain price I'll just skip it for now.
 
Dec 22, 2021 at 11:45 AM Post #50,187 of 66,258
Yeah the Marantz is good as there's little to no channel imbalance that I can discern, if there is it's way too low a volume to listen to anyway.

It was just a thought as there's a few Schiit stacks that crop up on eBay almost daily.

Thanks for your input, I think unless I see something at a bargain price I'll just skip it for now.
Schiit has thier B stock area on thier wesbite, to save a few bucks. But the Modi/Magni combo would only be $198 brand new + shipping. Maybe worth it to just buy them and try it out. And you can sell them if you don't like the combo.
 
Dec 22, 2021 at 2:00 PM Post #50,189 of 66,258
I've lurked on this thread since the page count was back in the two thousands. I've found the listening impressions here both useful and interesting, so I wanted to give back with some reflections on what I've heard. (This'll be a ramble!)

Ideally I'd have just one pair of headphones, but I'm hanging on to two: Joe's HP-1 and John's PS2000. (Plus a pair of Etymotics ER3XR.) I've been through a lot of Grados - 80i, 225i, 325i, 325e, GH4, GS3000e - and some other makes - Stax SR-5, AKG K702, and I've heard HD600s, HD800s, Sundaras, and a few others.

I've cast my lot with Grado in part because I'm fussy about how things look. The HP1 and the PS2000 have a mature, functionalist vibe - they could hang out in Paris - whereas I'd want to hide, say, the HD800 ear Lamborghinis in a drawer.

But mainly because of the sound. The GS3000, the PS2000 and the HP1 are, in my opinion, qualitatively different from the rest of the Grado line. The 50mm drivers do something special - the midrange and the treble (oh, my god) is spotless, and the dynamics and sense of space are incredibly vivid, and they can get to "live" volume levels with perfect composure. The famous drivers in the HP1 are just as spotless, but they lack the elevated midrange that gives John's Grados that "magnifying glass" effect, they don't sound anywhere near as dynamic, and they lose some definition when played too loud. The PS2000, I would say, is better than the HP1 in every way except tonal balance. Compared to the HP1, the PS2000 and GS3000 midrange can sound thin at low volumes. The HP1s sound calm and exact, with a subtle emphasis to the lower midrange, and really solid bass (when you get the clamping pressure right). It has what I'd like to call a "broadcast" sound - the qualities that jump to my mind are how rich and clear Leonard Cohen's voice sounds, and how noises like rain falling on a tin roof, the snap of a camera shutter, sound real beyond anything else I've heard. The presentation of the HP1 is holistic in a pretty special way. When well driven, fine details of the recording are there for you to hear, but don't draw your attention inappropriately (to be clear, this isn't a euphemism - they're extremely detailed). They make it easy to comprehend the music you're listening to. I find that to be a rare quality in hi-fi, basically independent of sonic quality, probably mainly a matter of frequency response and mastering. If I'm hearing a song for the first time, I might understand it better on my laptop speakers than on the PS2000e. The HP1 do well by that metric; maybe not as well as the Etymotics buds.

Back to the 50mm drivers - to me, the GS3000 and the PS2000 each sound lifelike. I don't say that lightly. I walk by someone playing a drum kit outside, unamplified, and my mind jumps to the GS3000. I hear someone playing an electric keyboard into a grungy amp stack in front of me, hear the layers of rattle and buzz and tone, and I think of the PS2000. It's something surreal. Surely, that has never happened with any other transducer I've heard.

The GS3000 have an "open air" balance (if the HP1's acoustics make me think of a radio station's studio, the GS3000's make me think of a music festival) and better texture, for lack of a better word, than the PS2000. Hearing the same drum solo on the GS3000 and the PS2000 - with the GS3000, I notice the flapping noise of the drum's skin, and with the PS2000, I can better hear the "note" of each drum hit. The GS3000 also has this rich, colorful decay - an adjective that comes to mind is "bloody" - that I love. Interestingly, that color went away when I used some extremely high-end DIY amplification (directly heated triodes loaded by nanocrystalline-core transformers, with a permalloy-core autoformer volume control at the output). In that setting, the GS3000 - well, they disappeared.

I sold the GS3000 because the PS2000, despite lacking that texture, has better bass and comes closer to the level-headed sound of the HP1. The treble of the PS2000 is better too, I feel, but it's a toss-up - it can be harsher (I mean, it's also perfect). The PS2000 is more informative than the GS3000; it's hard for me to pin down why, but it's just a little easier to tell what's going on in a song. Against the HP1, the PS2000 gives you several extra layers of sound, space, and imaging. Small sounds coexist with large sounds and have equal energy. The bass is fast and has "bounce" and, when you're listening loud, is just huge. The build quality on my pair happens to be better than the GS3000 I had, too; they clearly picked a good set of gimbals for my PS2000s, where I replaced the gimbals twice on the GS3000. On the other hand, the finish is wearing off on my set, which you might call patina. I read some review of the PS2000 where they compared it to the fading of raw denim; that's some wild spin, but it's easy to rationalize when you're in love.

A couple last notes. Take my impressions for what they are, but especially because I'm not using these headphones most of the time with any fancy setup. I've heard the GS3000 and the HP1 with the peak-of-the-mountain amplifier I mentioned, and I've listened to vinyl on a similarly great setup through the HP1, but usually I'm listening to the PS2000 plugged into my 2017 Macbook Pro and playing Tidal. One can hear the limitations clearly, but I want to enjoy these headphones every day, and I can't be stuck sitting by an amp the size of a small cooler. That said, the GS3000 driven by the triode amplifier was one of the most memorable hi-fi experiences of my life, up there with a few all-horn speaker systems I've heard (Jeffery Jackson's; Austin Acoustics). On price and quality - everyone has different opinions and also different means, but if someone took away my PS2000 and gave me back their MSRP, I'd buy back the PS2000 without pause. But again, the $100 Etymotics are arguably better for music comprehension... and other Grados like the GH4, for example, are excellent in their own ways. (Those sound very spacious, though the midrange was too thin for me.) I wonder what will come next at the top of the Grado line, though I'm not looking to buy anything else anytime soon.

That's probably enough effusion. Thanks to the posters on this thread for talking me into the leap to the GS3000. I've been listening to much more music in the past year or two because of it.
 
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Dec 22, 2021 at 2:33 PM Post #50,190 of 66,258
I've lurked on this thread since the page count was back in the two thousands. I've found the listening impressions here both useful and interesting, so I wanted to give back with some reflections on what I've heard. (This'll be a ramble!)

Ideally I'd have just one pair of headphones, but I'm hanging on to two: Joe's HP-1 and John's PS2000. (Plus a pair of Etymotics ER3XR.) I've been through a lot of Grados - 80i, 225i, 325i, 325e, GH4, GS3000e - and some other makes - Stax SR-5, AKG K702, and I've heard HD600s, HD800s, Sundaras, and a few others.

I've cast my lot with Grado in part because I'm fussy about how things look. The HP1 and the PS2000 have a mature, functionalist vibe - they could hang out in Paris - whereas I'd want to hide, say, the HD800 ear Lamborghinis in a drawer.

But mainly because of the sound. The GS3000, the PS2000 and the HP1 are, in my opinion, qualitatively different from the rest of the Grado line. The 50mm drivers do something special - the midrange and the treble (oh, my god) is spotless, and the dynamics and sense of space are incredibly vivid, and they can get to "live" volume levels with perfect composure. The famous drivers in the HP1 are just as spotless, but they lack the elevated midrange that gives John's Grados that "magnifying glass" effect, they don't sound anywhere near as dynamic, and they lose some definition when played too loud. The PS2000, I would say, is better than the HP1 in every way except tonal balance. Compared to the HP1, the PS2000 and GS3000 midrange can sound thin at low volumes. The HP1s sound calm and exact, with a subtle emphasis to the lower midrange, and really solid bass (when you get the clamping pressure right). It has what I'd like to call a "broadcast" sound - the qualities that jump to my mind are how rich and clear Leonard Cohen's voice sounds, and how noises like rain falling on a tin roof, the snap of a camera shutter, sound real beyond anything else I've heard. The presentation of the HP1 is holistic in a pretty special way. When well driven, fine details of the recording are there for you to hear, but don't draw your attention inappropriately (to be clear, this isn't a euphemism - they're extremely detailed). They make it easy to comprehend the music you're listening to. I find that to be a rare quality in hi-fi, basically independent of sonic quality, probably mainly a matter of frequency response and mastering. If I'm hearing a song for the first time, I might understand it better on my laptop speakers than on the PS2000e. The HP1 do well by that metric; maybe not as well as the Etymotics buds.

Back to the 50mm drivers - to me, the GS3000 and the PS2000 each sound lifelike. I don't say that lightly. I walk by someone playing a drum kit outside, unamplified, and my mind jumps to the GS3000. I hear someone playing an electric keyboard into a grungy amp stack in front of me, hear the layers of rattle and buzz and tone, and I think of the PS2000. It's something surreal. Surely, that has never happened with any other transducer I've heard.

The GS3000 have an "open air" balance (if the HP1's acoustics make me think of a radio station's studio, the GS3000's make me think of a music festival) and better texture, for lack of a better word, than the PS2000. Hearing the same drum solo on the GS3000 and the PS2000 - with the GS3000, I notice the flapping noise of the drum's skin, and with the PS2000, I can better hear the "note" of each drum hit. The GS3000 also has this rich, colorful decay - an adjective that comes to mind is "bloody" - that I love. Interestingly, that color went away when I used some extremely high-end DIY amplification (directly heated triodes loaded by nanocrystalline-core transformers, with a permalloy-core autoformer volume control at the output). In that setting, the GS3000 - well, they disappeared.

I sold the GS3000 because the PS2000, despite lacking that texture, has better bass and comes closer to the level-headed sound of the HP1. The treble of the PS2000 is better too, I feel, but it's a toss-up - it can be harsher (I mean, it's also perfect). The PS2000 is more informative than the GS3000; it's hard for me to pin down why, but it's just a little easier to tell what's going on in a song. Against the HP1, the PS2000 gives you several extra layers of sound, space, and imaging. Small sounds coexist with large sounds and have equal energy. The bass is fast and has "bounce" and, when you're listening loud, is just huge. The build quality on my pair happens to be better than the GS3000 I had, too; they clearly picked a good set of gimbals for my PS2000s, where I replaced the gimbals twice on the GS3000. On the other hand, the finish is wearing off on my set, which you might call patina. I read some review of the PS2000 where they compared it to the fading of raw denim; that's some wild spin, but it's easy to rationalize when you're in love.

A couple last notes. Take my impressions for what they are, but especially because I'm not using these headphones most of the time with any fancy setup. I've heard the GS3000 and the HP1 with the peak-of-the-mountain amplifier I mentioned, and I've listened to vinyl on a similarly great setup through the HP1, but usually I'm listening to the PS2000 plugged into my 2017 Macbook Pro and playing Tidal. One can hear the limitations clearly, but I want to enjoy these headphones every day, and I can't be stuck sitting by an amp the size of a small cooler. That said, the GS3000 driven by the triode amplifier was one of the most memorable hi-fi experiences of my life, up there with a few all-horn speaker systems I've heard (Jeffery Jackson's; Austin Acoustics). On price and quality - everyone has different opinions and also different means, but if someone took away my PS2000 and gave me back their MSRP, I'd buy back the PS2000 without pause. But again, the $100 Etymotics are arguably better for music comprehension... and other Grados like the GH4, for example, are excellent in their own ways. (Those sound very spacious, though the midrange was too thin for me.) Finally, I wonder what will come next at the top of the Grado line, though I'm not looking to buy anything else anytime soon.

That's probably enough effusion. Thanks to the posters on this thread for talking me into the leap to the GS3000. I've been listening to much more music in the past year or two because of it.
That was an excellent first post! Welcome ! Glad you decided to post.
 

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