Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?
Jul 15, 2020 at 9:37 PM Post #23,552 of 62,963
What is wrong with these people?

So entrenched in the drivers count and they can't stop. Why? Why is 30 hours with the case 10 recharges. 3 hours again cause they have to put 4 armatures in them. How about less higher quality armatures and save room for a real size battery. No volume control either. 6 hours and volume control and I'd try a green one. Of course the case is pretty big to get the 10 recharges that you could just about fit another set in there :).

as the price gets higher, it becomes less and less acceptable for shorter battery life since it will mean overall shorter usable lifespan for the TWS too. More recharges, more charging cycles, and it will just get worse exponentially as time goes on. :/ I still really enjoy using the KZ Z1 because the sound signature and punchy bass works great for jogging, but after about 2.5 months of regular use, my battery life has dropped from around 2 hours of use per charge to around 1.5 hours of use per charge.
 
Jul 15, 2020 at 9:56 PM Post #23,553 of 62,963
What is wrong with these people?
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So entrenched in the drivers count and they can't stop. Why? Why is 30 hours with the case 10 recharges. 3 hours again cause they have to put 4 armatures in them. How about less higher quality armatures and save room for a real size battery. No volume control either. 6 hours and volume control and I'd try a green one. Of course the case is pretty big to get the 10 recharges that you could just about fit another set in there :).

3 hours per charge is so 2016..
KZ and CCA seem to miss the point of having TWS in the first place. functionality is the priority (well, at least for me). at this stage, their selling point of having multiple drivers comes of as a gimmick to me.. in the end good or bad sound is judged by what heard, not numbers of driver/types of it used. if I'm so concerned about the best sound on the go, the best solution would still be wired IEMs of my choice, and slap some BT20S or BT dongles to it
 
Jul 15, 2020 at 9:57 PM Post #23,554 of 62,963
:yum:
Do they have more than a 3 hour battery life?
6-8hr depending on volume of course. Get them only 19$ My minimum on battery is 6-8 hours. Any lower I’m out.
 
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Jul 15, 2020 at 9:58 PM Post #23,555 of 62,963
as the price gets higher, it becomes less and less acceptable for shorter battery life since it will mean overall shorter usable lifespan for the TWS too. More recharges, more charging cycles, and it will just get worse exponentially as time goes on. :/ I still really enjoy using the KZ Z1 because the sound signature and punchy bass works great for jogging, but after about 2.5 months of regular use, my battery life has dropped from around 2 hours of use per charge to around 1.5 hours of use per charge.

They came to worst situation. I will skip few models until they fix batt issue, and connection issue
 
Jul 15, 2020 at 9:58 PM Post #23,556 of 62,963
as the price gets higher, it becomes less and less acceptable for shorter battery life since it will mean overall shorter usable lifespan for the TWS too. More recharges, more charging cycles, and it will just get worse exponentially as time goes on. :/ I still really enjoy using the KZ Z1 because the sound signature and punchy bass works great for jogging, but after about 2.5 months of regular use, my battery life has dropped from around 2 hours of use per charge to around 1.5 hours of use per charge.

That is the other side of the coin. Better batteries usually both give longer run times and they don't diminish till further down the line.

With the extra drivers I don't know if the CCA version will even get 3 hours out of the box. If they rate it at 50% volume and that 50% is not realistic for the outside world, jogging, commuting, etc. You have to be sure you don't have any long use needs. You would not be using these for a marathon. :)
 
Jul 15, 2020 at 10:03 PM Post #23,557 of 62,963
I get around 6-7 hours of battery life on Sabbat E12 Ultra, and the case seems to last over 24 hours as I can listen to them for about a week.

The Tronsmart Onyx Neo only lasts about 2.5 to 3 hours for me. They constantly emit a noticeable hiss, especially the left buds which sounds somewhat brighter in the mids and treble. There was another user here who complained about short battery life but found that this was only because one side got a "low battery warning" and you could get another 3 hours with the other bud as the master. Still, I never had this issue with Sabbat E12 Ultra. Also has no battery indicator on the case!

Agreed.

There have been a couple exceptions. I got 9:20 out of the WF-1000XM3'S and a couple minutes over 12 hours from the Buds+. I do listen at low to med volumes (ie less than 50%).
I find the Buds+ to last long but the case is potato and often drains within the first day (when listening for 6-8 hours, sometimes even less). Wish there was a third-party case with large battery life and I'm surprised there's none except a DIY post on Reddit.
 
Jul 15, 2020 at 10:04 PM Post #23,558 of 62,963
Does anyone tried fiil t1xs yet?
I did, got them for a week now and it seems perfect all rounder for me, though no ANC and no Qi charging. SQ wise is great but soundstage lacks a little bit of height. Instrument separation is great too. App is in Chinese so you have to translate to understand most features.
 
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Jul 15, 2020 at 10:07 PM Post #23,559 of 62,963
I get around 6-7 hours of battery life on Sabbat E12 Ultra, and the case seems to last over 24 hours as I can listen to them for about a week.

The Tronsmart Onyx Neo only lasts about 2.5 to 3 hours for me. They constantly emit a noticeable hiss, especially the left buds which sounds somewhat brighter in the mids and treble. There was another user here who complained about short battery life but found that this was only because one side got a "low battery warning" and you could get another 3 hours with the other bud as the master. Still, I never had this issue with Sabbat E12 Ultra. Also has no battery indicator on the case!


I find the Buds+ to last long but the case is potato and often drains within the first day (when listening for 6-8 hours, sometimes even less). Wish there was a third-party case with large battery life and I'm surprised there's none except a DIY post on Reddit.
Dang only 4hrs?? on the Neo damn. Good thing I didn’t get them. What about the spunky beats? I need at least 6hrs darn it.
 
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Jul 15, 2020 at 10:12 PM Post #23,560 of 62,963
What is wrong with these people?

So entrenched in the drivers count and they can't stop. Why? Why is 30 hours with the case 10 recharges. 3 hours again cause they have to put 4 armatures in them. How about less higher quality armatures and save room for a real size battery. No volume control either. 6 hours and volume control and I'd try a green one. Of course the case is pretty big to get the 10 recharges that you could just about fit another set in there :).

Greed lol. They are basically taking their current business model and applying it to mediocre TWS.

as the price gets higher, it becomes less and less acceptable for shorter battery life since it will mean overall shorter usable lifespan for the TWS too. More recharges, more charging cycles, and it will just get worse exponentially as time goes on. :/ I still really enjoy using the KZ Z1 because the sound signature and punchy bass works great for jogging, but after about 2.5 months of regular use, my battery life has dropped from around 2 hours of use per charge to around 1.5 hours of use per charge.
3 hours per charge is so 2016..
KZ and CCA seem to miss the point of having TWS in the first place. functionality is the priority (well, at least for me). at this stage, their selling point of having multiple drivers comes of as a gimmick to me.. in the end good or bad sound is judged by what heard, not numbers of driver/types of it used. if I'm so concerned about the best sound on the go, the best solution would still be wired IEMs of my choice, and slap some BT20S or BT dongles to it
They came to worst situation. I will skip few models until they fix batt issue, and connection issue

I haven't even felt a slight temptation for any of the KZ TWS. Their bluetooth implementation has been poor from the start (bt neck cables) and seems to have carried over to their TWS. The low battery life would be aggravating. I just see no reason to try any of them.


Dang only 4hrs?? on the Neo damn. What about the spunky beats? I need at least 6hrs darn it.

About 3 hours +/- 20 minutes depending on if APT-X (-20) or SBC (+20).
 
Jul 15, 2020 at 10:12 PM Post #23,561 of 62,963
I did, got them for a week now and it seems perfect all rounder for me, though no ANC and no Qi charging. SQ wise is great but soundstage lacks a little bit of height. Instrument separation is great too. App is in Chinese so you have to translate to understand most features.

Photos as attached, love the small case too, very pocketable.
 

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Jul 15, 2020 at 10:19 PM Post #23,562 of 62,963
That is the other side of the coin. Better batteries usually both give longer run times and they don't diminish till further down the line.

With the extra drivers I don't know if the CCA version will even get 3 hours out of the box. If they rate it at 50% volume and that 50% is not realistic for the outside world, jogging, commuting, etc. You have to be sure you don't have any long use needs. You would not be using these for a marathon. :)

I think there is a good chance it might actually. KZ's battery life rating has been pretty spot on for me for most of their TWS offerings when I'm using it at my listening volume. For the Z1 i'm normally at like 45% volume at home and 55% when I'm jogging. So for those using at higher volume, maybe it might be worse. :joy: The Z1 is still fine for me for the most part and i'll probably keep using them for regular jogs, but for longer ones, probably have to stop using them since they are already starting to give low battery warning before I could finish. CX10 might be a bit better at first, but probably half a year down the road it'll be the same deal.
 
Jul 15, 2020 at 11:14 PM Post #23,563 of 62,963
Got my replacement AKG N400's. Man, they are just awesome. IMO, way better than the Sennies. Swipes work better than the first pair, which came opened as if used already. This new pair were sealed. So far, so good. Love that it's a Qi charging case. If you can try them and have Amazon Prime, you should.
 
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Jul 16, 2020 at 3:11 AM Post #23,565 of 62,963

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