Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?

[d3myz]

Besides the shallow fit, I am not really liking the overblown bass in the L2P, and find myself gravitating to the MTW100 more often for its neutral yet dynamic sound. I have tried all the presets in the app, I even tried the HearID without any help, as well as non-foam tips. The bass is just always there calling attention to itself. I would say these would be good for a basshead. I'm hoping the mw07 is not so bassy.

Have you tried using JVC Spiral dots? They take a lot of the boom out of bass and give them more clean punch.

 

[Blueshound24]

Have you tried using JVC Spiral dots? They take a lot of the boom out of bass and give them more clean punch.

I have not. But I will pull some out of my tip drawer and give it a go, but I have doubts tips can remedy this.

 

[clerkpalmer]

I have mentioned this before, and now I've tried my second pair of the Airpods Pro.
Very good fit, but is it too good in my ears? (all type of in-ear buds fit very deep and well in my ear)

When using ANC I get noticable changes in the mids and treble when walking/chewing/moving mouth.
Like the voice and treble "fluctuates" (I don't know how to explain it better) with movements. It's the same with the ambient/transparent mode. The outside sound changes a lot when chewing gum for example.

It's like the bud sits too deep in the concha (see pic), and then the part of the bud with the mic is touching the structure and making the sound change with movements?
With ANC/ambient off, I don't experience this.

I really like almost every feature (sound, easy connecting, range, fit, comfort, case etc) with the APP, but this is ruining them for me anyways.
Anyone with similar experiences?!?

Edit: If I put them more loosely in the ear, so the stem don't touch my chin, I don't experience this as much. But then the lack of seal is making the bass disappear (and the fit test is failing)

I think you are describing the active EQ that Apple is touting as a feature. It is supposed to continually adjust based on fit etc. You must have good hearing if you are noticing that. I haven't noticed it on mine.

 

[webvan]

Hmm, I think its legit though. Found out that Taobao got sell this TWS. Below are pictures from one of buyers in Taobao:

Looks like a nice fit. They remind of the KZs and also of a TWE from a kickstarter that someone got on here ? They had been seen on AliBaba before being pulled.

I have mentioned this before, and now I've tried my second pair of the Airpods Pro.
Very good fit, but is it too good in my ears? (all type of in-ear buds fit very deep and well in my ear)

When using ANC I get noticable changes in the mids and treble when walking/chewing/moving mouth.
Like the voice and treble "fluctuates" (I don't know how to explain it better) with movements. It's the same with the ambient/transparent mode. The outside sound changes a lot when chewing gum for example.

It's like the bud sits too deep in the concha (see pic), and then the part of the bud with the mic is touching the structure and making the sound change with movements?
With ANC/ambient off, I don't experience this.

I really like almost every feature (sound, easy connecting, range, fit, comfort, case etc) with the APP, but this is ruining them for me anyways.
Anyone with similar experiences?!?

Edit: If I put them more loosely in the ear, so the stem don't touch my chin, I don't experience this as much. But then the lack of seal is making the bass disappear (and the fit test is failing)

Yes I noticed that too when running with them and with ANC I had these "fluctuations" (I'd called them "interferences" I think, like some shuffling sound). Very annoying.
Anyway for running I think I'm going to stop wasting my time trying to do better than the X12s as I've come to the conclusion that it's just not possible ! I started out with the L2Ps today as they seemed to have less "thump" when walking than other IEMs I've used but that was probably due to a poor seal with the stock tips. With the Final E LL tips that give me a better seal it was ok at first and then became annoying. The wings were probably moving around a bit too and somehow I felt something was "off" with my stride/balance. I stopped and switched to the X12s and wow, night and day ! No more "balance" issues, great and rich sound, "in tune" with the environment. So yes I run in quiet environments alongside a rvier so I only really hear the noise of my strides.

 

[Joshiwo]

My bank tends to run limited deals with selected stores a few times a year when paying with their MasterCard. They are running the deal this week, starting tomorrow (Thursday) until Saturday, with 20 % off everything at their selected stores.

One of the stores just received a pair of 75t's in stock today. Just reserved them for pickup tomorrow. Talk about luck!

 

[howdy]

Accidentally bought the LP2s Sunday and paid full retail of 160. I have not received any email from them regarding shipping or anything. I will send them back as I don't wait to pay full price when you can generally get 40 bucks off.

 

[d3myz]

I have not. But I will pull some out of my tip drawer and give it a go, but I have doubts tips can remedy this.

Could be, but It never ceases to amaze me how much tips change the sound of a TWS/IEM. The JVC's especially.

 

[BigZ12]

I think you are describing the active EQ that Apple is touting as a feature. It is supposed to continually adjust based on fit etc. You must have good hearing if you are noticing that. I haven't noticed it on mine.

I'm blessed with good hearing, think we've discussed that before. (SBC noise, crackling etc with the Senn' MTW )
But I don't think it's the feature you're talking about.
It's like the bud sits so deep/snug, the part where the mics for ANC and ambient sound is/are (are there multiple mics?) placed, touches the structure of the ear that's moving with movement/chewing etc. I hear this just by walking across the floor in my apartment.
It really ruins the sound

 

[Blueshound24]

I have the mw07 on the way. To those who have experience with both the L2P and mw07 how would you describe the differences between the two? And especially, I am hopeful the mw07's bass is more controlled and balanced with the mids and highs than the L2P.

 

[webvan]

Totally agree. And I listen to mostly Jazz, Blues and Rock with a smattering of just about everything else. One example that really shows the overblown bass is Stevie Ray Vaughan's "Tin Pan Alley", which admittedly has a heavy bass line to it, but on many other IEM's and Cans the bass is much more controlled and textured. All I hear with that song, (among many other songs), is the overblown bass being thrust in my face and I cannot enjoy no matter what EQ I use. As I said before, for me, I prefer the more balanced mtw100 over the L2P and I will be returning the latter.

What EQ setting are you using ? I pulled up TPA in Tidal (studio version) and with the HearID (or Soundcore Signature) it sounds great TBH, the bass is not overblown at all to my ears. You could always try the "reduced bass" setting to see if it helps.

 

[Caipirina]

yup, none at all.. i won't be using them in the shower anytime soon
the only thing that made me curious is because i really like the older wf-1000x sound, and also the ANC. if it turns out to be redundant, i might sell it, purchase the WH-1000xm3 instead, or a cheaper ANC headphone and just use my TWS under it

Now I want to recharge and listen to my wf1000x again. They get hardly ever any playtime. (Also no IPX rating, plus the case handles really poorly)

 

[BigZ12]

Yes I noticed that too when running with them and with ANC I had these "fluctuations" (I'd called them "interferences" I think, like some shuffling sound). Very annoying.

Thanks for your reply.
In one way good to hear that others experience the same "phenomenon", but not good to know this is an issue.
For me this could be a dealbreaker.

Edit: Could you try the APP's while chewing, moving your mouth (feel free to exaggerate the movements a little.) Do you hear the same fluctuations/shuffling of the sound as when you run?

 

[clerkpalmer]

I have the mw07 on the way. To those who have experience with both the L2P and mw07 how would you describe the differences between the two? And especially, I am hopeful the mw07's bass is more controlled and balanced with the mids and highs than the L2P.

It is much more controlled. It is nice, deep and tight with little bleed or boom. If that's your primary concern, I think you will be very happy with the MW07. The L2P kind of reminds me of an MW07 on steroids. The L2P can be too much of a good thing sometimes but I really enjoy them for the gym. I probably wouldn't do any critical listening with them whereas the MW07 absolutely can be used that way.

 

[clerkpalmer]

I'm blessed with good hearing, think we've discussed that before. (SBC noise, crackling etc with the Senn' MTW )
But I don't think it's the feature you're talking about.
It's like the bud sits so deep/snug, the part where the mics for ANC and ambient sound is/are (are there multiple mics?) placed, touches the structure of the ear that's moving with movement/chewing etc. I hear this just by walking across the floor in my apartment.
It really ruins the sound

Yeah, I remember now. I never did hear that crackling. You have golden ears. Blessing and a curse probably.

 

[Blueshound24]

It is much more controlled. It is nice, deep and tight with little bleed or boom. If that's your primary concern, I think you will be very happy with the MW07. The L2P kind of reminds me of an MW07 on steroids. The L2P can be too much of a good thing sometimes but I really enjoy them for the gym. I probably wouldn't do any critical listening with them whereas the MW07 absolutely can be used that way.

Thanks, that is good to hear! Pun intended