Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?
Dec 13, 2018 at 5:51 PM Post #2,911 of 62,258
Seriously, 7.5hr with the case is awwwwwwwwful. Even the Sony can get you 9 total. This far into the game the idea of not even being able to get through a work shift with fully charging from the case twice is pitiful.
 
Dec 13, 2018 at 5:59 PM Post #2,912 of 62,258
Well, I started with the elite active 65t. Then I got the MW07. I found the the MW07 to be my default for walking.

In true OCD fashion, I have acquired the Bose Soundsport Free and the N200 (yes, not TW) within the past 2 days. I had a $50 coupon at Crutchfield I didn't want to expire, so applied that (no shipping or tax) to the $169 Soundsport.

The Bose have a really fun sound with a solid bass foundation. The highs are slightly rolled off but pretty decent when called for. These things don't make a seal in your ear and are therefore very comfortable, but also allow in some ambient sound. If that's OK for your purposes I would recommend these unconditionally. I can see using these around the house but don't anticipate taking them out and about because of their size and ambient leakage. Sound great though. I didn't realize you could get bass like that from what is basically an IEM without a good seal.

The N200 sounded great at first, very neutral with good lows and highs. The sound is very non-3-dimensional, though it's probably not fair to listen to them with the Bose (very 3 dimensional).

For my own tastes and uses I would rate them :

1. Bose Soundsport Free (if ambient sound OK) or :
2. MW07
3. 65t
4. N200

I think these are all pretty decent and a far cry from the last time I tried (wired) bluetooth several years ago.
 
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Dec 13, 2018 at 6:06 PM Post #2,913 of 62,258
It's worth mentioning that the Free are made as they are because they're designed for sport use. The extra bass and ambient leak are helpful in those conditions.
 
Dec 13, 2018 at 6:13 PM Post #2,914 of 62,258
I'm almost glad the Senns are getting kinda rough reviews. Makes me happy to keep the e8s.

Not to tempt you, but I think as a self-confessed basshead, you would love the Senns. I am certainly not that, but once I got the EQ right they sound far, far better than anything else TW I have tried (Bose, IconX, my E8, etc.). They lack a lot of polish that the E8 has physically

Do you get the random very short left unit drop outs ?
I get on average 5-10 per 1 hour play time and have been since day one though perhaps slightly more on the early fw versions

Hey - this is something we have in common on the E8. I call that "the satellite radio dropout" because it happens on SiriusXM all the time. Like you hit the mute button on and off quickly, but only on one side.
 
Dec 13, 2018 at 6:16 PM Post #2,915 of 62,258
While I was skeptical of this "analysis" and thought it might just be another "hype beast" review, I decided to purchase a pair from my local Best Buy yesterday (they just came in and were still on the truck...took them FOREVER to find them). Dude, for $49, these things are GREAT! I returned the Skullcandy Push Wireless, as these slap those around. Definitely a bass-forward signature, but they are very clean, clear, and articulate (even if a bit unbalanced on the low end). The bass is not as boomy as it is on the Sony WF-SP700N. If you like a cleaner but emphasized bass, you'll love these. VERY impressive for $49.

PROS
- Although all plastic, a very "solid" plastic and excellent fabrication.
- Great sound. Even better considering they are only $49.
- BT 5.
- Getting about 4 hours playtime at 40% on an iPhone running BT 4.2. I'm sure I'd be over 4 hours if I had a device with BT 5.
- Comfortable and smaller than the E8.
- Track & Volume controls.
- 3 built-in EQ settings. If you don't want as much bass, there is a "balanced" EQ (although bass is still emphasized a bit). There are also the "signature" EQ (hyped bass and treble) and the "bass boost" EQ (hyped bass & sub-bass).
- Mic quality is good. Probably in the upper tier of all the TWEs I've tried. A little better than the E8, actually.

CONS
- Pressing the buttons jam them in your ear more. I have to awkwardly hold the earbuds to use the buttons without pressing them into my ear more.
- Changing tracks (holding down the R button) can also erroneously increase the volume (a single press of the R button). The L button is track reverse and volume down.
- A little slippery to handle.
- Custom USB-A charging connection built into the charger.
- Needs firmware update. Sound is unbalanced, in the sense the L earbud is louder than the R when using the "balanced" or "bass boost" EQs. Normal "signature" EQ is unaffected.

Overall, since I enjoy the "signature" EQ anyway, these are a keeper, especially for $49. Perfect gym or office companion. Isolation is good, so I can see this a nice fit for commuters as well.


Do you get lag watching video? I feel like my Soundcore Liberty Lites are fantastic for the $50 or so I paid, but they are too laggy in videos and unusably laggy on the Switch. No lag at all on the E8, and the tiniest bit of lag on the Senns.
 
Dec 13, 2018 at 8:56 PM Post #2,916 of 62,258
thank you because I'm also eyeing for the Mifo o5. how is the bass in comparison to the M2? also can it be switch on and off without using the case and pair to the phone? (something that the M2 can't do) because if it can do that i think it can potentially last a day of use even without carrying the case. also does the little buttons hard to push? and does it have ambient mode?
The bass is actually deeper with more emphasis on sub bass, however, if you really want bass I would recommend getting the dynamic driver version. I will assume it will have a much deeper bass than both the M2 and the O5 BA version. Yes you can switch off the earbuds by holding the multifunction button. If they are both connected (master and slave) when you switch off one bud, it will also turn off the other half. The little buttons are not that hard to push but when they are in your ears it kinda hurts a bit. Unfortunately the O5 does not have an ambient mode.

Good review, I also got the mavin out of curiosity of the chipset and apt-x. Really was waiting for the qualcomm 5 series with anc.
Im now trying them with foam tips, since the case has no problem with different tips. I think foam makes them sound better as you mentioned, but foam is fiddly with my ears.

Im enjoying the sound better on the mavin that the 65t, wider soundstage and punchier bass. Just sounds "cleaner".

The 65t is still my preferred ones when hiking etc, just easier to put on and fit. Plus the sound passhtrough is good and it has multipoint.

What im waiting for is some tws with all of 65t functions, but better sound and codecs.
Thanks! yeah the Air-X indeed sounds a lot better than 65T, I'm waiting too for QCC5100 series TWS buds to appear in the market. The added ANC function is a sure plus, especially in my daily subway commute.
 
Dec 13, 2018 at 9:08 PM Post #2,917 of 62,258
The bass is actually deeper with more emphasis on sub bass, however, if you really want bass I would recommend getting the dynamic driver version. I will assume it will have a much deeper bass than both the M2 and the O5 BA version. Yes you can switch off the earbuds by holding the multifunction button. If they are both connected (master and slave) when you switch off one bud, it will also turn off the other half. The little buttons are not that hard to push but when they are in your ears it kinda hurts a bit. Unfortunately the O5 does not have an ambient mode.


Thanks! yeah the Air-X indeed sounds a lot better than 65T, I'm waiting too for QCC5100 series TWS buds to appear in the market. The added ANC function is a sure plus, especially in my daily subway commute.

one last thing, do the Mifo and the Mavin support multiple devices at once like the 65t?
 
Dec 13, 2018 at 10:03 PM Post #2,919 of 62,258
Ok, so my MTW charged up and are playing away in my ears. So let me set the stage a bit. I ordered these online back Nov. 30 and I impatiently waited for them to come in. How impatient you ask? During that time I bought the KEF Space One over ear wired ANC headphone and a couple days ago the AKG N200. Now the reason this important is that the KEF are very balanced sounding and the N200 sound... well they sound like an AKG product. Very mid/treble centric or bright.

So I plug in the MTW and get an immediate blast of bass and warmth. It was a bit of a shock after starting to get used to the N200. To say they are opposites is almost an understatement.

So these are definitely on the bass side of the fence. But as I listen I dont think they are as thick sounding as the WF700N (I mentioned WF1000X above but that's not right and I will fix that post). But will confirm that in a day or so when I have a bit more time. So we are talking a warm bass oriented signature that does remind me a bit of my old IE8's but not nearly as dark sounding (warm not dark). These also have a bit of the IE8 3D/sound stage charm. But since I have not had the IE8 in a long time I will not try to even guess how similar they are in this respect.

As my brain readjusts as I type I am starting to enjoy the signature. I believe this signature will work much better out and about than the N200. I think the MTW will be more isolating but again will know better after I use them on transit.

I left my phone in one room and went to a room where I know signal strength starts to be an issue and these worked as good as several other BT devices I own only being bested by my best full size BT headphones like the MDR 1000XM3. So very happy with BT connectivity. I have one area on my transit route that causes BT dropouts though so will report how they handle that area tomorrow.

The more I listen to these the more I am liking them. I have to he honest. I have always been tempted to rebuy an IE8x product but always stop short because of the $400 price tag so I bought these hoping to give myself some of that sound while getting a good wireless product to boot. The more I listen to these the more I think I may have hit that jackpot.

Still not sure I will keep them as I have to see how long they play on a charge and other factors like BT connectivity. But I am already leaning towards keeping them. Price be damned...

OH, one more thing. Some have mentioned buzzing on these. Now keep in mind I am a 50+ year old man with normal hearing loss for someone my age (pretty much cant hear anything over about 11,000khz) but I hear no buzzing of any kind.
 
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Dec 13, 2018 at 10:11 PM Post #2,920 of 62,258
Some ear porn... old west style LOL.
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Dec 13, 2018 at 10:18 PM Post #2,921 of 62,258
One final post about the MTW. These are big enough my wife could not get them to fit in her ear properly at all. Now she has very unusual ears in my experience so is not the norm but anyone with a really small concha is going to struggle getting this to fit.

Me on the other, these fit like a glove one I switched to the largest tips for my lug holes. Very secure considering these have no wings to hold them in place. I wouldn't do strenuous jerky exercise in them but can see light jogging and power walking in my very near future... :)
 
Dec 14, 2018 at 3:50 AM Post #2,922 of 62,258
So ordered the havit g1 which I discovered are rebranded hakii hgroov product which was kickstarted/indiegogo no big deal though for the price. Should be here by Monday. Was wondering if the supplied tips are good enough for fit or whether I should get some alt tips. Thanks
 
Dec 14, 2018 at 6:26 AM Post #2,923 of 62,258
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Finally, my CKR7TW is here.

I'll get into a more detailed sound impression later, but out of the box, the bass is quite anemic.

Good news is that, while many reviews mentioned a lot about delay, that is actually the delay between an action and the earphone responding. For example, when adjusting volume, pressing play, pause, etc. A 0.5s delay is about correct.

But when watching video, there is no audio sync issue. Tested with Youtube, Netflix and Facebook video, there is no noticeable audio delay. This is my biggest concern at first after reading those Japanese reviews, but I guess that's just mistranslation using Google. :D

Connection is great, haven't had a dropout yet. Fit is fine, seal is easy and the 3d wing is helping it stay. It is pretty big though, so it will protude a bit from the ear. Will be fine for walking around, but I don't think it'll be good for workout.

Control is by a single button on each side. Left side button double as volume up and down. Right button work as play/pause, next and previous track. It's either single or multiple press to get the intended action. This pattern can be changed with the app.

The app is quite barebone. It shows battery life, codec and volume control. The settings allow us to choose codec (aptX, AAC and SBC) and the button pattern I mentioned before. That's it. No EQ or any sound personalization.

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I'll update with sound impression and battery life later. :)
 
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Dec 14, 2018 at 6:27 AM Post #2,924 of 62,258
So ordered the havit g1 which I discovered are rebranded hakii hgroov product which was kickstarted/indiegogo no big deal though for the price. Should be here by Monday. Was wondering if the supplied tips are good enough for fit or whether I should get some alt tips. Thanks

So they are. I have so far been using the stock tips but will try something else if I can find a tip with big enough hole, the G1 hole is huge
 

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