[iFi audio]

Ray is still reachable, yes

OK, that makes sense and it's cool to know that he still supports his customers. May your RSA serve you well for years to come

 

[musicman59]

OK, that makes sense and it's cool to know that he still supports his customers. May your RSA serve you well for years to come

Yes, Ray is great supporting his customers and you can still buy some of his amps.

He just came out with a new upgrade for his A-10 Thunderbolt Electrostatic amp. I sent mine in and got it back upgraded with in 3 days.

There is a good chance of a surprise from Ray in the near future ….

 

[iFi audio]

There is a good chance of a surprise from Ray in the near future ….

Yes, getting out of this hobby isn't easy and at times it takes years for a nice idea to present itself

 

[betula]

gee, I heard the sol p completely opposite and I think most others did as well

I am pretty treble sensitive, but definitely wouldn't class the Soli P as treble bothering. The Arya or some Focals bothered me, but not the Soli P. This German contender has a very natural and rounded also extremely detailed sound. They sound like a high-end hi-fi speaker system just on your head. Absolutely stellar experience.
Probably my second favourite after the Meze Elite which might not have the same level of clarity and positioning, but it is almost there while it is offering a uniquely sweet emotional connection/involvement with my music.

 

[ddlo]

I knew VGP japan put D8000/D8000pro under the open back categories. But I really can't see how why as there seems no vent/opening at all upon close inspection on my D8000 pro. Having this query in mind for a few months since i bought mine, today when i was listening to my d8000 pro, a call came in and i took the call on speakerphone without removing my cans (just pause the music), without any impediment to my conversation! there's essentially zero insulation, comparable to my SUS and HE1000se! this really puzzles me

 

[Pharmaboy]

I knew VGP japan put D8000/D8000pro under the open back categories. But I really can't see how why as there seems no vent/opening at all upon close inspection on my D8000 pro. Having this query in mind for a few months since i bought mine, today when i was listening to my d8000 pro, a call came in and i took the call on speakerphone without removing my cans (just pause the music), without any impediment to my conversation! there's essentially zero insulation, comparable to my SUS and HE1000se! this really puzzles me

There are 4 vents on the outside of each earcup. These 4 vents encircle the connection between the handband frame and each earcup, as shown in the image below (pls excuse the amateurish graphic).

These vents mean the driver is open to airflow, albeit mediated somewhat by the headphone's air damping system for each driver. Still, because of these vents, the Final D8000/D8000 Pro is an open-back design:

 

[ddlo]

There are 4 vents on the outside of each earcup. These 4 vents encircle the connection between the handband frame and each earcup, as shown in the image below (pls excuse the amateurish graphic).

These vents mean the driver is open to airflow, albeit mediated somewhat by the headphone's air damping system for each driver. Still, because of these vents, the Final D8000/D8000 Pro is an open-back design:

Thanks for the sharing. but i've looked very closely and actually put some soft plastic stick inside the four slots on the outer ring but they seem all closed with no vent! the inner circle with the ball joint to the headband fits very closely and i can't see very clearly yet it still looks closed to my naked eyes.

And actually the diagram from Final seems suggesting the back is closed (they used the clause "one-side back plate without holes" to explain their AFDS)
https://snext-final.com/files/topics/896_ext_10_zh_TW_1.jpg?v=1571977790

but anyway, the fact is there's virtually no sound isolation. just i'm curious about this and final audio doesn't clearly state the type (open/close) on their own website

 

[Bkido]

Thanks for the sharing. but i've looked very closely and actually put some soft plastic stick inside the four slots on the outer ring but they seem all closed with no vent! the inner circle with the ball joint to the headband fits very closely and i can't see very clearly yet it still looks closed to my naked eyes.

And actually the diagram from Final seems suggesting the back is closed (they used the clause "one-side back plate without holes" to explain their AFDS)
https://snext-final.com/files/topics/896_ext_10_zh_TW_1.jpg?v=1571977790

but anyway, the fact is there's virtually no sound isolation. just i'm curious about this and final audio doesn't clearly state the type (open/close) on their own website

Most of the back is completely open. There are tiny holes all over the back of the headphone which even allow you to see the planar driver move during playback

 

[ddlo]

Most of the back is completely open. There are tiny holes all over the back of the headphone which even allow you to see the planar driver move during playback

thank you for this great close-up! this answers perfectly my question! such a finely made perforated surface! my bad eyesight has difficulty to see the very fine fenestrations even after i learnt this surface is perforated

 

[Pharmaboy]

Most of the back is completely open. There are tiny holes all over the back of the headphone which even allow you to see the planar driver move during playback

Thanks for this clarification!

You did what I neglected to do: got a magnifying glass and actually zeroed in on this headphone.

I know from the sound of my D8000 that it's open. I can't listen to closed backs for very long (headache & tinnitus), but can listen to open backs far longer. The D8000 falls in the "far longer" category. That's hardly scientific evidence, but it's nice to know I was right about it being open...

PS: Almost forgot that part of this headphone's openness is the on-purpose permability to air flow of the earpads. The designer fully intended there to be airflow from the front of the driver to the sides, through the pads. They say so on the Final website. That's probably why the sound (allegedly) tanks when you pad roll 3rd party pads that aren't as porous as the stock pads. I'm using the Pro's "G" pads w/my D8K and love the sound to the point I'm not tempted to padroll, ever.

 

[audiocroissant]

randomly came across Crinacle's headphone ranking- https://crinacle.com/rankings/headphones/

He describes tonality of D8000 as "High treble-to-midrange contrast makes things sound shrill and borderline-sibilant.". Not sure if measurements back that up or not but I have not heard any sibilance so found this strange. Curious if you agree with this assessment?

The other thing is that he rates the technical performance of both D8K and D8K Pro an A which is the same rating he gives the LCD-2 Classic. At this stage, I am not convinced we are listening to the same headphone lol

 

[ThanatosVI]

randomly came across Crinacle's headphone ranking- https://crinacle.com/rankings/headphones/

He describes tonality of D8000 as "High treble-to-midrange contrast makes things sound shrill and borderline-sibilant.". Not sure if measurements back that up or not but I have not heard any sibilance so found this strange. Curious if you agree with this assessment?

The other thing is that he rates the technical performance of both D8K and D8K Pro an A which is the same rating he gives the LCD-2 Classic. At this stage, I am not convinced we are listening to the same headphone lol

I dunno, crinnacle seems prett deaf to me going by all his Meze reviews.

I recommend checking out his reviews of headphones you know well, and then to decide if it matches with your opinion of them

 

[iFi audio]

I dunno, crinnacle seems prett deaf to me going by all his Meze reviews.

He can be a bit polarizing, but his site is a treasure chest of useful stuff nonetheless

 

[ThanatosVI]

He can be a bit polarizing, but his site is a treasure chest of useful stuff nonetheless

That's why I recommended watching Videos of headphones you know well, to see if his opinion aligns with your views.

I know that his opinion is absolutely worthless to me, doesn't mean that this holds true for others

 

[iFi audio]

That's why I recommended watching Videos of headphones you know well, to see if his opinion aligns with your views.

I know that his opinion is absolutely worthless to me, doesn't mean that this holds true for others

Sure, that's understandable. Crin's work provides extra data points (a lot of them), but whether this is any useful is up to everyone's own judgement