[WCDchee]

I've heard the final prototypes, I have the older models and here's my take on them.

If you like the Dita sound, you'll love the dream. It's smoother, richer in the mids, much more open and resolving and much better controlled. The improvement from the Dita brass to the dream is in my opinion larger than the improvement going from the answer to the brass. Most of you wouldn't have heard the brass, but I feel that it's a definite step up over the truth.

The answer goes for 699, truth goes for 999, and the brass was going for something like 1.2-1.3k usd in Japan if I'm not mistaken.

The dream is also fully manufactured in Japan, where manufacturing costs can be ridiculously high. Now I'm in no position to say how anything should be priced, but yes, I'll just say that from the sound alone, it was incredible and I'd love to have one.

 

[audionewbi]

The pictures I have seen it appears that the fit might be not ideal for some ears. The angel where the connect meets the IEM appears too sharp and the housing rather larger than the first generation.
I couldnt find anyone modelling them.
 
I am assuming the current pictures arent from what the final unit going to be as as is the housing appears rough looking in their mat black finish.

 

[WCDchee]

The pictures I have seen it appears that the fit might be not ideal for some ears. The angel where the connect meets the IEM appears too sharp and the housing rather larger than the first generation.

I couldnt find anyone modelling them.

I am assuming the current pictures arent from what the final unit going to be as as is the housing appears rough looking in their mat black finish.

Those pieces are pre production prototypes. The dream actually fits more people better than the answer. The nozzle is longer and a couple of people I know who had fit issues with the answer find the dream to fit much better!

 

[Mimouille]

Those pieces are pre production prototypes. The dream actually fits more people better than the answer. The nozzle is longer and a couple of people I know who had fit issues with the answer find the dream to fit much better!

That is what I am counting on. The Answer design was a no go for me, much too shallow fit.

 

[WCDchee]

That is what I am counting on. The Answer design was a no go for me, much too shallow fit.

Yeap, that's a complaint a lot of people have. I personally had a really great Low profile for on those. But they've made changes to the dream'a nozzle length given the feedback from customers. The newer production models of the answer actually do have a slightly longer nozzle too.

 

[FastAndClean]

Yeap, that's a complaint a lot of people have. I personally had a really great Low profile for on those. But they've made changes to the dream'a nozzle length given the feedback from customers. The newer production models of the answer actually do have a slightly longer nozzle too.

but do you have the answer to the truth

 

[BartSimpson1976]

  Despite what makers seem to think, people will not buy 5k iems,

 
I remind you in two to three years.... 

 

[Mimouille]

I remind you in two to three years.... 

Well people who can pay thay much are a very small group. Will be the same in 3 years.

 

[Deftone]

   
I remind you in two to three years.... 

 
 

Well people who can pay thay much are a very small group. Will be the same in 3 years.

 
i see what hes getting at, i remember the thread when the shure se846 came out.
 
comments like
 
"$1K!!!! no one is gonna buy this, price is outrageous for an iem"
 
but now its considered "cheap"

 

[BartSimpson1976]

exactly. See Campfire, although they are reasonable in comparison but actually they could dump all products with exception
of the Andromeda and Vega. Nobody is talking about their other, cheaper models which are still very decent IEMs.
I am interested in the Lyra II but at 700 Dollars it is already a bit North of what I am actually willing to spend.
 
Actually for me personally I draw a line at 500 Dollars. There is enough decent stuff on the market at that price point like
the new Etymotics, the E70, Final Audio Heaven V, VI, VII, etc.which totally fulfill my needs.
 
Everybody finds it totally ok to spent 2k for IEMs nowadays. I don't. BA-drivers cost a few cents per piece. Big IEM-makers order them in 10kg buckets from Knowles or Sonion. Westone squeezes 8 of them in a extremly flimsy, cheap looking housing and then charges 1.5k for it. Of course they need to do some development and so on, I am fully aware of it. 
There are also smaller companies who have to charge a bit higher as they are not producing big numbers and not ordering their materials in bulk. I can also excuse CIEMs as these are done individually for customers. But 2k for a single dynamic driver universal IEM?
 
I think I could afford them, but I am simply not willing. I will not spend a four digit amount for IEMs or headphones. 
 
But a lot of prices nowadays are pure rip off. And why do they do that? Because they can and nobody is challenging that.
 
Disclaimer: The above is my exclusive personal opinion and might contain exaggerations! 

 

[WCDchee]

exactly. See Campfire, although they are reasonable in comparison but actually they could dump all products with exception
of the Andromeda and Vega. Nobody is talking about their other, cheaper models which are still very decent IEMs.
I am interested in the Lyra II but at 700 Dollars it is already a bit North of what I am actually willing to spend.

Actually for me personally I draw a line at 500 Dollars. There is enough decent stuff on the market at that price point like
the new Etymotics, the E70, Final Audio Heaven V, VI, VII, etc.which totally fulfill my needs.

Everybody finds it totally ok to spent 2k for IEMs nowadays. I don't. BA-drivers cost a few cents per piece. Big IEM-makers order them in 10kg buckets from Knowles or Sonion. Westone squeezes 8 of them in a extremly flimsy, cheap looking housing and then charges 1.5k for it. Of course they need to do some development and so on, I am fully aware of it. 
There are also smaller companies who have to charge a bit higher as they are not producing big numbers and not ordering their materials in bulk. I can also excuse CIEMs as these are done individually for customers. But 2k for a single dynamic driver universal IEM?

I think I could afford them, but I am simply not willing. I will not spend a four digit amount for IEMs or headphones. 

But a lot of prices nowadays are pure rip off. And why do they do that? Because they can and nobody is challenging that.

Disclaimer: The above is my exclusive personal opinion and might contain exaggerations! 

Perhaps if you had the chance to speak to them, you would realise that in many ways, a dynamic driver is posisbly more difficult to make. Most multi BA IEMs only deal with 2 things, a crossover and the filter selection. Not that that is easy, but with dynamic Drivers, the costs can be extremely high. Try to ask Ken from campfire about this, or if you'be spoken to the guys from Dita, or gotten a chance to you would perhaps begin to see that a whole load of effort and engineering goes into the driver design from scratch. There's a reason that the high end market is predominantly made up of BA IEMs, it is not that easy to design a driver unit. With BAs that's done for you. Not with dynamics.

 

[WCDchee]

The pictures I have seen it appears that the fit might be not ideal for some ears. The angel where the connect meets the IEM appears too sharp and the housing rather larger than the first generation.

I couldnt find anyone modelling them.

I am assuming the current pictures arent from what the final unit going to be as as is the housing appears rough looking in their mat black finish.

Yes these are all pre production units.

With regard to fit, I can assure you they will fire a larger variety of ears more easily. A lot of effort has been taken to Ensure that

 

[BartSimpson1976]

Perhaps if you had the chance to speak to them, you would realise that in many ways, a dynamic driver is posisbly more difficult to make. Most multi BA IEMs only deal with 2 things, a crossover and the filter selection. Not that that is easy, but with dynamic Drivers, the costs can be extremely high. Try to ask Ken from campfire about this, or if you'be spoken to the guys from Dita, or gotten a chance to you would perhaps begin to see that a whole load of effort and engineering goes into the driver design from scratch. There's a reason that the high end market is predominantly made up of BA IEMs, it is not that easy to design a driver unit. With BAs that's done for you. Not with dynamics.

 
All valid points, still I think with 2k it is slightly over the top. Don't want to continue big price ranting discussions here and I assume they did their calculations.
Just would be interested how many units they expect to sell.

 

[jmills8]

There are many members spending easily over $8,000 to $12,000 every year on Audio Gear so $2,000 to them aint something to rare.

 

[kadamian]

speaking of prices...newly released ocharaku donguri dual costs around 500usd
new flat4 costs around 800usd (but you can find used for around 500usd)
 
and i have yet to find iem with same clarity, vast soundstage and timbral rendition as ocharaku...