Wow!
A lot of good stuff was posted in the past 12 hours.
And speaking of time, Gary's last post was made at around 3:20 AM Eastern.
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Purrin's 17 DAC comparison and the spreadsheet you can find if you google compares some DACs ability to resolve detail.
What has been said repeatedly is that the HD 800 would be better for these tests. While I agree with Gary's assessment that the LCD-3 is what he uses and what he's testing for, the HD 800 is better at resolving these details. High end speakers, too, I'd imagine. One of the main points drawing me to the M7 is it's reported detail resolution ability. I haven't heard it, and I'm not even sure my 38 year old ears would be capable of hearing the difference, but it's out there, and so I want to try it. It's a curse.
Gary, I'm convinced that you're right. Yet, I'm sure that if someone spent a whole day listening to one song with all of these DACs with HD 800s or good speakers, they'd hear some detail differences. It's totally not worth it. I only posted that to address what Toe Tag was saying.
I'm anxiously awaiting your results.
@cizx - Not desiring in the least to ruffle Gary's feathers, nor yours, I actually agree that for the explicit purpose of comparing these DACs' ability to resolve detail, the HD800 would likely be the ideal headphone (if not some choice of speakers). That said, if it takes an HD800 to hear the difference, is everyone going to buy an HD800 to go with the DAC of choice? As a newcomer to listening with HD800's, I am really glad he used the LCD-3 - a headphone that, as I've said before, is among several candidates in its ability to perform well with a wide range of DACs and amps, unlike the HD800.
But, yes... if Gary were to extend the testing to include critical analysis of detail rendering, the HD800 would be a good choice, in my opinion, but how far behind is the LCD-3 in this regard? And would that effort be of any value for people who have lower-resolving headphones?
Keep up the great work Gary,
we all appreciate you
Roger that! There are no true antagonists here - only supporters - with a lot of ideas being tossed on the table and a great exchange of opinions.
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The DM Source has thus been my "reference" DAC representing the Indistinguishables in testing against other DACs for the past several days. I am comparing each of the others (Metrum, Ciunas, Benchmark, Chord, Yulong) to the DM Source. Those that don't sound different will be considered Indistinguishable (the Benchmark). If an Indistinguishable offers good value, it will be evaluated again at the end. If not, it goes back (the Benchmark -- big feature set, but pretty much the same as the DM and Emo for twice the price). Those with audible differences (Ciunas and Metrum for sure, Chordette maybe, Yulong I dunno, I haven't listened to it) will end up facing off against the DM and Emo in the final showdown (the latter two will be facing off in features, particularly their headphone outs).
In the end there can be only one. Or maybe two, if they are cheap enough.
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I'm good with this - it's a valid strategy.
All -
I think we all agree we appreciate Gary's long hours and diligence on this project. And in so doing, many of us are gaining learning and very possibly saving $ in the process.
I want to propose starting a "Gary DAC Fund" whereby each of us chips in $5 or $10 to help Gary fund his next DAC of choice.
Surely this work is worth the cost of a stereo magazine, but without ads?
I'm not sure how this could work, perhaps through Paypal, but I'm up for it.
Bill
When Gary reads this he's going to roll his eyes, but the gesture is genuine, I'm sure - and I'd like to participate, too.
If I were in his shoes, I'd consider my time to have been a gift to the community, but I'd welcome some assistance on all of the costs.
What do you think, Gary? (Just say, "OK.")
If you're lucky, you'll receive enough to buy a sandwich at your favorite deli.
Mike