Cowon Plenue D
Mar 25, 2016 at 9:04 PM Post #1,981 of 4,949
   
Thanks very much for the offer, although its a shorter distance to reach the demo store near me.
 
I will sort this out though, I'm just waiting until after Easter break when the shops reopen. 
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Atm, I'm looking at Cowon Plenue D, Hidzs AP100, Lotto PAW 5000 and AK JR.

http://www.headfonia.com/a-case-for-the-cowon-plenue-d/ is a good review. It compares the AK JR which is probably the best of the bunch to be worthy to compare to.
 
Mar 25, 2016 at 10:06 PM Post #1,982 of 4,949
  I just remembered that I took these size comparison pictures when I still had my Cowon and thought that they could be probably helpful for people who are interested to know how small the Plenue D really is (sorry for the cr@p picture quality, but they're just to get an idea of the size):
 

(f.l.t.r.: iBasso DX80, iPhone 4, Shanling M2, FiiO X3, iPod Classic 7G, iBasso DX90, Cowon Plenue D, SanDisk Sansa Clip Zip, SanDisk Sansa Clip +, 2x $1.49 players, iPod Nano 6G)


Polka-DAP sighting!
 
 
Mar 26, 2016 at 11:23 AM Post #1,983 of 4,949
I completely agree with you.. I never had any issue with my Plenue D.. Everyone talked about Lag on it too.. I never experience any of that.. Seriously.. Only thing O can figure is they had the on-board storage completely full, and the external sdcard filled to capacity as well. And if that's the case.. Then sure any player will struggle with that kind of data it's having to process..

Yup, I agree. I always leave a 100MB buffer on both the card and player. It's probably overkill but I don't notice any lag worth mentioning.
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 3:34 PM Post #1,986 of 4,949
I just got mine today. I have not loaded anything on it yet, just charging it while also formatting the 128GB SD card. Holy crap wow! I was completely under the impression this unit only had a 5 band EQ. Well it does and doesen't. It actually has a 20 band EQ but you can set for each frequency given but only can actively set 5. This is awesome! 
 
You can pick all these frequencies but only have 5 active: 80Hz - 105Hz - 135Hz - 175Hz - 220Hz - 300Hz - 385Hz - 500Hz - 650Hz - 780Hz - 1.1khz - 1.4khz - 3.0khz - 4.1khz - 2.4khz - 1.3khz - 6.9khz - 9khz - 11.7khz
 
If COWON would allow all the frequencies to be available and to be active and adjustable that would be amazing! But even with this it's amazing. I'm impressed. This is never going to be returned!
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 3:50 PM Post #1,987 of 4,949
  I just got mine today. I have not loaded anything on it yet, just charging it while also formatting the 128GB SD card. Holy crap wow! I was completely under the impression this unit only had a 5 band EQ. Well it does and doesen't. It actually has a 20 band EQ but you can set for each frequency given but only can actively set 5. This is awesome! 
 
You can pick all these frequencies but only have 5 active: 80Hz - 105Hz - 135Hz - 175Hz - 220Hz - 300Hz - 385Hz - 500Hz - 650Hz - 780Hz - 1.1khz - 1.4khz - 3.0khz - 4.1khz - 2.4khz - 1.3khz - 6.9khz - 9khz - 11.7khz
 
If COWON would allow all the frequencies to be available and to be active and adjustable that would be amazing! But even with this it's amazing. I'm impressed. This is never going to be returned!


Yeah very nice. My problem is I can't stop tweaking it.
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 6:40 PM Post #1,988 of 4,949
Hi everyone!
I'm thinking about replacing/upgrading my old Cowon C2 to Plenue D, will I hear a lot of difference in sound?
I'm using Beyerdynamics t51p and some Grados too.

 
 
   
Yes, you will.

 
Sorry to chime in, and far be it for me to put someone off from making a PD purchase, but didn't I read somewhere previously of a fellow with a C2 who bought a PD and didn't find the transition in sound quality to justify the price hike? And isn't there a few M2 owners who have said there is no difference in sound quality between that and the PD?

I would expect the PD to drive certain headphones better and possibly hiss less but essentially same sound.
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 11:13 PM Post #1,989 of 4,949
   
 
 
Sorry to chime in, and far be it for me to put someone off from making a PD purchase, but didn't I read somewhere previously of a fellow with a C2 who bought a PD and didn't find the transition in sound quality to justify the price hike? And isn't there a few M2 owners who have said there is no difference in sound quality between that and the PD?

I would expect the PD to drive certain headphones better and possibly hiss less but essentially same sound.

Read more reviews. I have researched for months and found people that have older models of COWON and even AK Jr. are finding the D as equal or better. Even one review I read and posted faced off the AK Jr. and it was a draw.
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 11:19 PM Post #1,990 of 4,949
Read more reviews. I have researched for months and found people that have older models of COWON and even AK Jr. are finding the D as equal or better. Even one review I read and posted faced off the AK Jr. and it was a draw.
I would never buy the Jr. I demoed it three times.
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 11:19 PM Post #1,991 of 4,949
  Read more reviews. I have researched for months and found people that have older models of COWON and even AK Jr. are finding the D as equal or better. Even one review I read and posted faced off the AK Jr. and it was a draw.

 
That's what I'm saying, some say it's the same, some better, some say marginally better, others say a lot better.
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 11:25 PM Post #1,993 of 4,949
  Hi head-fi forum members and all others reading this immense thread!
 
I joined just to stick my little addendum onto this thread, as I have bought a Cowon Plenue D and have had some minor issues I've overcome that I can share. Also this thread has been a great resource for me in the past month so much love to all who have contributed.
 
I don't profess to be an audiophile - my library consists entirely of ~14,000 mp3s with exception of one album in FLAC (Krieg und Frieden by Apparat - possibly the greatest ambient work of all time) and though a majority are VBR or 320k bitrate I have some atrocities as well. I use MusicBee for my library and the playlists I generate in MusicBee work fine on the Plenue D.
 
The best pair of headphones I've ever owned are the ATH-M50Xs (current), surely far below what most of you listen with. Before that some cheap Sony earbuds (not IEM, never owned IEMs) and an old pair of Shure headphones that I can't even remember the model because I wasn't the original owner and treated them like crap.
 
My portable music player history goes Sony CD walkman > Sony CD walkman (anti-skip godlike upgrade, made my '90s) > generic brand 512MB mp3 player > iPod Classic 30GB > iPod Touch 2nd gen > iPod Touch 3rd gen > Cowon X7 > Cowon X9 (battery finally gave up after 3 years heavy use) > Cowon X9 (still going strong after 2 years) > Cowon Plenue D (gold edition to match my headphones). I listen to a wide cross section of genres.
 
But enough about me.
 
This Plenue D mp3 player is superior in quality and far, far superior in output capacity to my previous X9s. And I loved my X9s dearly. And it's almost beyond belief that this tiny light little player can survive so long on one charge. I'm still actually sceptical that these long breaks between charges will maintain throughout its life with me. I can't turn these up past 65 (out of 100) with my ATHs. This little robust player is THAT loud - in comparison to my X9s which I could comfortably push up to 35 (out of 40). Bear in mind this is all without additional amping.
 
The GUI is a brilliant step forward for me from the X9s as it incorporates multiple playlists, playlist compatibility with third party software, and is far easier to navigate than the X9. The X9 was a struggle to grab the scrollbar and fly down long lists - the Plenue D's scrollbar is 10 times easier to grab even with my fat ugly thumb. Playlist manipulation is also wonderful in comparison to the X9. The 5-band custom EQ is lovely too - though so far I have only switched between BBE MP and BBE Mach3Bass as I did on the X9 - these EQ presets are identical to the X9's.
 
I was originally put off by the size of the screen but everything is easy to select with any digit. And fits in almost any pocket as well. My only qualm is how light this player is and how easily it can be thrown around by the weight of the connecting auxiliary/headphone line if you don't have it firmly in your hand. The edges on the lock button end of the top of the player are also very sharp and not bevelled like the rest of the case.
 
But FINALLY and MOST IMPORTANTLY - an affordable Cowon player without the dreaded file limit. My X9 supported 4,000 files on the internal and 4,000 files on the external - it drove me mental trying to pick and choose what I could add and what didn't make the cut. Now let me present to you an excerpt out of the manual for the Plenue D:
 
- The maximum number of files and folders that can be recognized
by the product

* 12,000 (Built-in : 8,000 files + 4,000 folders)
  24,000 (microSD : 16,000 files + 8,000 folders)
 
That's right baby - a total of 36,000 files. With my Samsung Evo 64GB SDXC I can fit my entire library with 300MB to spare on each the internal and external. So a 128GB micro sd will soon become one of my more recent purchases.
 
Now onto FORMATTING YOUR SDXC for use in the Plenue D.
 
This combination of steps was the ONLY way I could get the Plenue D to recognise my Samsung micro sd. This may vary depending on what brand of micro sd you own:
 
1. Download SDFormatter from (https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4). Format your sd card IN the Plenue D using this software. Format to EXFAT FIRST. Quick format will suffice.
2. Download guiformat from (http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?guiformat.htm). Now format your sd card STILL IN the Plenue D using this software. Format to FAT32 with Allocation unit size 32768. Quick format will suffice.
3. Now you can copy your files onto the sd card ONLY when mounted INSIDE the player.
3. Do not attempt to create separate FAT32 partitions with partition managers.
4. Do not label the sd card during any of the format processes.
5. Do not attempt to use with the EXFAT file system.
6. Do not cough or make any loud noises as these Cowon players are very sensitive when it comes to external file systems.
 
Don't expect files to copy fast - they copy at anywhere between 3MB to 6MB per second. This is another downside Cowon should really look at. Some argue it is to maintain file integrity. I think that's a load of crap as high resolution video recorders and other devices copy to these sd cards at insane rates without compromising file integrity.
 
Speaking of which - now onto FILE INTEGRITY and FILE ERRORS on your Plenue D.
 
I have found shuffling through my library on the new player that a few files cause playback to stop due to errors - some even crashed my player entirely, causing me to have to hard reset (hold volume up and down simultaneously). My X9s handled these files fine but at this point in time the Plenue D is falling behind. This will probably be amended by future firmware releases.
 
DON'T PANIC. In the meantime you can fix up your mp3 library using a tool called mp3val which you can get from (http://mp3val.sourceforge.net/).
 
Run your library through this software - first scanning for errors - then repairing all files with problems. ~90% of the erroneous mp3 in my library that the software detected contained "garbage at the beginning or end of the files" these files repaired absolutely file with ID3 tags intact. The remaining ~10% suffered from "MPEG stream error, resynchronized successfully" which means I have to find new copies of these files and replace them manually as the software cannot repair them. Read the documentation and use at your discretion though as this software will alter your mp3 files.
 
And just like that I was home free. A brilliant player with a nice clean library and facility for me to expand up to 128GB or 200GB external memory on top of the 32GB internal. In love. No regrets.
 
I hope that wall of text helped. Here's a photo of my Plenue D and ATH-M50X. BIC lighter for scale in second photo (if you're Australian - I don't know if they have BIC lighters in other countries..) and the latest v1.2.2 English manual (sourced from device itself).
 
Plenue D and ATH-M50X - http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=00636308138455111497
Plenue D and lighter for scale - http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=02433964701476955391
Plenue D latest English manual - http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=94525106082088846033

Why are you doing a format Allocation unit size of 32768? and not 65536?
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 11:32 PM Post #1,994 of 4,949
That's what I'm saying, some say it's the same, some better, some say marginally better, others say a lot better.
Thats pretty much the same as every dap, every iem, every amp, every iem tip. Some say good some say not some say average some say the best.
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 11:40 PM Post #1,995 of 4,949
2+2=22
 

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