Androb
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Wow... beautiful! I have to get some of these nice vintage amps myself one day..
Just want to make quick post of some vintage electrostatic speakers I've been playing with the past few weeks. They are acoustat spectra 11 esl hybrids, featuring a four foot tall esl panel on top of a bass unit with an 8 inch driver. Everything I've read about them points to the esl panel being gold and the bass unit being horrible. I will say I think both are under statements.
The sound coming from the esl panel is as good as "any" electrostatic I've listened to. But the bass is just atrocious. I mean probably the worse bass I've listen too which is why probably 99% of all owners replace the driver with something else. This gave me an opportunity to play around(a lot) with winisd, and over the last couple of weeks I've gone through 5 sets of drivers. But I will say with all of the ones I've tried, modeling with winisd has been spot on with the response I've gotten from each one of them.
One of the large obstacles is the enclosure for the 8in drive was way too large at 1.639cu. In this day and time that air space is too large for many 12 in drivers. But I did end up going with a 12in that is very renown for accuracy and sound quality. I've also rebuilt the bias and power supply with some caps on the way for the crossover along with making some small adjustment to the low pass crossover so that the 12s integrate perfectly with the esl panels.
These things are now sounding like one of the best speakers I've listened to at any price. I have them four feet off the rear wall and the sound is literally coming from the back wall 4ft behind the speakers and everywhere else in the room. They are just a beautiful sounding match with my macs..... Not bad for a 25 year old esl. Much more to follow in the vintage speaker thread.
Here's a before and after of the bias and power supply rebuild
and a pic of the back of the board with all of the flux removed. For some reason this is something the manufacturer neglected to do. And this board was caked full of it.
Oh and the speaker as a whole stands at just over six feet.
I've always loved esl and thought they were the cleanest, purest sounding most accurate speaker types. It's nice not to have to listen to the box if you know what I mean. You never realize how colored any conventional speaker is until you listen to an esl right beside it. With that said, I'm about to fire up the moody mobile to head to Huntsville to pick up a pair so of speakers many say should be on every audiophile's bucket list to own at least once. But on the bad side, only one of them is working. But I think it will definitely be worth it to get it repaired.
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I've always loved esl and thought they were the cleanest, purest sounding most accurate speaker types. It's nice not to have to listen to the box if you know what I mean. You never realize how colored any conventional speaker is until you listen to an esl right beside it. With that said, I'm about to fire up the moody mobile to head to Huntsville to pick up a pair so of speakers many say should be on every audiophile's bucket list to own at least once. But on the bad side, only one of them is working. But I think it will definitely be worth it to get it repaired.
Another issue that can contribute to bad bass is using too high of a wire gauge in any inductor in series with the woofer (i.e. as part of the xover). In speakers I have built I have taken to using 14awg mag wire to wind my coils (air core to avoid hysteresis). Otherwise the added resistance will trash your damping factor (transient response out the door).
You are killing me.. what are those????:rolleyes:
MANY times i wish i did not audition the Beveridge - in 1979. Ever since, no matter how good any other speaker might be, sooner than later the dreaded question pops up " HOW would this music sound on the Bev ?" ...
With EU regulations, the good Bevs ( the ones with direct drive high voltage tube amps, NO transformer in the signal path ) got banned from importing into EU. So, even in case I scrape somehow together the ( anything but insignificant, see http://www.bevaudio.com/ ) doe required, I STILL can not have them.
Unless moving to non EU terrritory....
Lol, ok I'll let the cat out of the bag. It's a pair of first gen quad esl 57 from 1969. The owner is a guy 80 years old who bought them new when he was stationed in Germany in 1970. He still have all of the original paperwork.
MANY times i wish i did not audition the Beveridge - in 1979. Ever since, no matter how good any other speaker might be, sooner than later the dreaded question pops up " HOW would this music sound on the Bev ?" ...
With EU regulations, the good Bevs ( the ones with direct drive high voltage tube amps, NO transformer in the signal path ) got banned from importing into EU. So, even in case I scrape somehow together the ( anything but insignificant, see http://www.bevaudio.com/ ) doe required, I STILL can not have them.
Unless moving to non EU terrritory....