Airpods pro

[OmniscientNihilist]

thanks.... i know that s, m and l are provided.... however i was interested in measurements. I know large can differ from manufacturer to manufacturer. shure foams are 15.5mm in large and sony large are 13.5mm

what about removing the tips on earbuds and putting on a foam safety style ear plug from a hardware store?

 

[loephi]

i dont think this will work... look at the short nozzle on the picture you provided. for standard iem i have a solution (Symbio iem) therefore i ask someone who has the pros to measure the diameter of the L-size so i can guesstimate if this will rozghly work out for me

 

[nealh]

I put the symbio foam in the medium tip. Sound did not improve as expected.
Fit did not seem better either

 

[Monstieur]

Compared to the PowerBeats Pro, the AirPods Pro have better fit and seal, a lot better comfort, and better isolation in the low frequencies.

However they have weak sub-bass compared to the PowerBeats Pro, which is a major drawback for me. Apart from sub-bass, the rest of the bass is good and doesn’t sound missing like with the regular AirPods.

Transparent mode has a slight latency which adds a mild echo to your own voice, or other sounds that make it through the seal directly to your ears.

 

[chesebert]

i heard the sound wasnt that great on them though

Some reviewers are biased and there are misleading reviews.

 

[OmniscientNihilist]

Some reviewers are biased and there are misleading reviews.

its good they finally put the rubber plug on the end, because thats the only way you can get noise isolation and bass.

only drawback is microphonics from the cord but it has no cord

so potentially some microhponics from walking, the vibration of the step could echo into the sound from the rubber plug.

 

[SilverEars]

Pro is definitely a step forward in technology. I didn't even consider the lag, and I can't detect hardly any lag out of it when watching video. I guess I didn't think about it because I wasn't detecting any significant lag out of these. Because with some other wireless iems I've noticed lag when watching videos. H1 bluetooth chip is truly great!

 

[OmniscientNihilist]

Pro is definitely a step forward in technology. I didn't even consider the lag, and I can't detect hardly any lag out of it when watching video. I guess I didn't think about it because I wasn't detecting any significant lag out of these. Because with some other wireless iems I've noticed lag when watching videos. H1 bluetooth chip is truly great!

pro uses bluetooth 5.0

not sure what the non pro uses

 

[genck]

pro uses bluetooth 5.0

not sure what the non pro uses

professionals used wired.

oh, that pro.

 

[MarkF786]

Given the market share of AirPods I’d be stunned if there wasn’t money in developing a third party tip. These pro’s will be one of the biggest selling headphones/earphones in the world before the end of the year is out.

Looking more closely at the eartips, I'm even more doubtful there will be third-party eartips released. The stock ones have these very small vents with metal screens at the top & bottom of the base of the tips, which align with little holes in the body - likely used by the microphone to measure the sound outside the eartips. This might explain why inserting foam in the eartips hurt the sound.

Good luck for some little chi-fi eartip company to reverse engineer the Apple eartips - and then make them better?

 

[SilverEars]

I saw some measurements on a blog, and what they did was block out different amount of the acoustic sensor on the side of the earpiece that adheres to the concha, and depending on how much of that sensor vent you block out, the bass level changes. And looking at the measurements, the mid range does as well. There is also another sensor at the base, but not sure what that one effects?

I'm wondering what their intentions were in designing their adaptive EQ based on these sensors? Why a sensor that's located on the concha? This could be a faulty system that may not provide the intended EQ for some people.

So, here's the result from playing with those sensors.

 

[MICHAELSD]

I saw some measurements on a blog, and what they did was block out different amount of the acoustic sensor on the side of the earpiece that adheres to the concha, and depending on how much of that sensor vent you block out, the bass level changes. And looking at the measurements, the mid range does as well. There is also another sensor at the base, but not sure what that one effects?

I'm wondering what their intentions were in designing their adaptive EQ based on these sensors? Why a sensor that's located on the concha? This could be a faulty system that may not provide the intended EQ for some people.

So, here's the result from playing with those sensors.

I wonder how that compares to how AirPods Pro sound with the ANC set to off, which also disables the Adaptive EQ. Maybe that will be a better representation of the intended FR, though I have heard that they do sound best with ANC/Adaptive EQ turned on so it should work for most people.

 

[SilverEars]

I wonder how that compares to how AirPods Pro sound with the ANC set to off, which also disables the Adaptive EQ. Maybe that will be a better representation of the intended FR, though I have heard that they do sound best with ANC/Adaptive EQ turned on so it should work for most people.

Above is without ANC. So, Adaptive EQ is on no matter if ANC is on or not. I didn't see a difference in measurements with ANC on or off. Reducing noise does make sound more coherent and how much coherent depends on how much noise you drown out. Like in an airplane cabin, ANC makes a huge difference. Depending on dampining in the cabin and engine size, noise can go up significantly. I recall seeing over 80dB cabin noise on my phone SPL meter.

Although I have really noticed if Airpods Pro SQ improves with or without ANC active, I know full-sized ANC headphones XM3 and Bose sound better with ANC on due to EQ being applied (measurements show the differences). If you turn it off and use passively through cable, they sound pretty bad. Also, XM3 seems to sound better wireless and it's likely due to the better codec. Bose NC 700 sounded good wired with ANC on, but wireless was mediocre. I'm thinking it's most likely Bose's limitation of codec, AAC.

This is something I haven't noticed with Airpods Pro. When I tried the WFXM3 iem I only recall using it with ANC on, and I recall the treble and bass sounded distorted (not tight enough). I assumed it would sound better with ANC on (compared to off), although ANC didn't seem like a true ANC, but just some tones being played randomly to cancel out cyclic low frequency noise. I believe a Beats Solo headphone was like that as well.

 

[OmniscientNihilist]

every headphone in existence should work by default without any other app or technology

and all feature should be able to be fully disabled

 

[MICHAELSD]

every headphone in existence should work by default without any other app or technology

and all feature should be able to be fully disabled

Welcome to 2019. At least they do give the option to disable ANC.