Why the Beats Hate?

[derbigpr]

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  Yet, 99% of the people on this board would recommend the HD 25's over Beats Solo's in a heartbeat as better basshead cans, hell, Beats Solo is not even on the basshead cans list.

 
 
No.1 - HD25's are not basshead headphones, they are professional studio headphones...which, as amazing that might sound, are actually used by sound engineers and technicians all over the world, unlike the Solos...which not even Dre himself uses.
No.2 - they sound better than Solo in every single way, and still have better bass, even if that is the last the thing they were designed to do.
No.3 - yes, anyone who knows what he's talking about and actually has EXPERIENCE with headphones, will recommend HD25's over any Beats in a heartbeat, because you get what you pay for with them. You get a state of the art studio headphone that's pretty much been the standard in most studios around the world. Developed by experts, some of the best engineers in the business, together with people who actually work in the audio industry and give proper feedback...and know what they need, and what is good or what isn't.  Solo is designed by a bunch of sub-par inexperienced engineers who clearly don't know what they're doing and the reason they haven't gone bust yet is the marketing team behind them.
 
Sorry, but that's just the way it is.  HD25 and Solo can't be compared, because they're made for entirely different markets. One is made for professionals, the other for kids.

 

[GermanGuy]

for me it is the following point - beats claimes to offer hd best of best sound is like the fast food companies claiming they sell healthy food - i don't like marketing based on nonsens - i would accept  ....we are the design and basshead nothing else company... - so the dislike has nothing to do with sound - as the beats products for me have nothing to do with sound.

 

[dbdynsty25]

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The Beats Pro is the only model that looks somewhat decent (though they are destroyed by wooden cups in the same pricerange).  The Solo HD and Studios look like cheap, plastic toys (especially the Solo HD).  I find the best looking headphone in the $200 range to be the UE-6000.

 
I'm a fan of the Mixr's look and build quality.  The rest, you're right...definitely cheap and plasticy.

 

[dbdynsty25]

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Denon AH-D7000 vs Beats ~ better yet, Fostex TH900

 
Anyone who chooses Beats over these two needs to visit an audiologist.

 
Or a bankruptcy lawyer due to the cost.  $300 vs. $2000...yeah, fair fight.  

 

[extrabigmehdi]

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No.1 - HD25's are not basshead headphones, they are professional studio headphones...which, as amazing that might sound, are actually used by sound engineers and technicians all over the world, unlike the Solos...which not even Dre himself uses.
No.2 - they sound better than Solo in every single way, and still have better bass, even if that is the last the thing they were designed to do.
No.3 - yes, anyone who knows what he's talking about and actually has EXPERIENCE with headphones, will recommend HD25's over any Beats in a heartbeat, because you get what you pay for with them. You get a state of the art studio headphone that's pretty much been the standard in most studios around the world. Developed by experts, some of the best engineers in the business, together with people who actually work in the audio industry and give proper feedback...and know what they need, and what is good or what isn't.  Solo is designed by a bunch of sub-par inexperienced engineers who clearly don't know what they're doing and the reason they haven't gone bust yet is the marketing team behind them.
 
Sorry, but that's just the way it is.  HD25 and Solo can't be compared, because they're made for entirely different markets. One is made for professionals, the other for kids.

 
First the beats solo are not marketed as a studio tool. They are "consumer" friendly. By analogy with food,  people like food that is fat saturated , salted , or with high sugar stuff, even if it's not healty. I  think that with advertised genres r'nb & hip hop, the beats solo could provide enjoyment , and that what's most people are looking for,  not some sterile accuracy. 
 
And finally  the hd25 being a "state of art" studio headphone, this must be a joke. I'd think they are enough good for dj, but as studio headphone, I'd think producing a high buget album with these one would be a bad idea. At least to my standard the bass is so so, i.e monotonic, not  very  textured, and no sub bass. They have the bass "impact", but that's all.

 

[kimvictor]

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I kinda skipped the bass stage as a new born audiophile and skipped directly to clarity, and in some 4 months caring most for the mids and the timbre/body of my music.
 
Quoting from somewhere:
 
The new audiophile craves bass
The established audiophile craves treble
The experienced audiophile craves mids

Ha. I've heard that before. Here is how I went and headphones I owned during that stage:
1. Basshead. Don't give a crap about anything but head shaking bass. BOSE OE, Beats
2. Mid head. First step into head-fi and starting to become an audiophile. SE215, SE535
3. Treble head. Now looking for clarity and detail. SRH940(still partly mid head), X20
4. Now: Balanced head. Looking for best of all bass/mid/treble along with clarity and detail. DT1350, UERM, H-200.
HD598 and V6 are like random headphones that popped in. HD598 was bought during my treble head stage, so no likey. V6 was bought recently, but the sound was off, so I modded it to sound more balanced.
 
Whoa. I went through a lot of headphones in less then 2 yrs!

 

[derbigpr]

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Or a bankruptcy lawyer due to the cost.  $300 vs. $2000...yeah, fair fight.  

 
Ok lets do a fair comparison then with some other closed $200-300 headphones which totally outclass the similarly priced Beats:
AKG K550/551, K167 or K267 if you want more bass.
Logitech UE6000
Sennheiser HD380pro or HD25
Denon D2000 or even the new D400
Audio Technica A900X
Beyer DT770Pro and Custom One
Shure SRH940
KRK 8400
Aiaiai TMA-1 Studio
 
etc...
 
And if you want some nice styling as well,  Focal Spirit One, B&W P5, Sennheiser Momentum, eetc....not as good value as those above, but still excellent headphones.
 
There simply is no argument in favor of Solo's or Studio's, or Pro's.

 

[kimvictor]

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Ok lets do a fair comparison then with some other closed $200-300 headphones which totally outclass the similarly priced Beats:
AKG K550/551, K167 or K267 if you want more bass.
Logitech UE6000
Sennheiser HD380pro or HD25
Denon D2000 or even the new D400
Audio Technica A900X
Beyer DT770Pro and Custom One
Shure SRH940
KRK 8400
Aiaiai TMA-1 Studio
 
etc...
 
And if you want some nice styling as well,  Focal Spirit One, B&W P5, Sennheiser Momentum, eetc....not as good value as those above, but still excellent headphones.
 
There simply is no argument in favor of Solo's or Studio's, or Pro's.

Totally agree with ya.

 

[derbigpr]

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First the beats solo are not marketed as a studio tool. They are "consumer" friendly. By analogy with food,  people like food that is fat saturated , salted , or with high sugar stuff, even if it's not healty. I  think that with advertised genres r'nb & hip hop, the beats solo could provide enjoyment , and that what's most people are looking for,  not some sterile accuracy. 
 
And finally  the hd25 being a "state of art" studio headphone, this must be a joke. I'd think they are enough good for dj, but as studio headphone, I'd think producing a high buget album with these one would be a bad idea. At least to my standard the bass is so so, i.e monotonic, not  very  textured, and no sub bass. They have the bass "impact", but that's all.

 
Well, Beats sort of are marketed as a studio tool if Dre himself says they will enable people to hear music exactly as intended and as he hears it in the studio. Its a ridiculous claim obviously, but some people still fall for it.
 
And why do you assume that accuracy is sterile? It's not at all. If you listen to boring badly recorded music, yes, if you listen to well recorded, properly mastered records with very wide dynamic range, then accuracy is very fun.
 
Also, yes, ask any engineer in any studio around the world to use HD25's, and he won't argue with you. Go to any studio, ANYWHERE, no matter what kind of music they deal with, and there's a big chance you'll find some HD25's there. When I was visiting a national television a couple of years ago in my country, ALL headphones they used anywhere in that huge freaking building that takes a month to explore were HD25's. Even the commentators on football games use them. They're all over the place when it comes to professional use, and there's no denying that.  Its a legendary headphone proven in the professional and mainstream industry.  Also, saying it has no sub bass means its underpowered. At 30 hz the headphone is at 0 db related to 1khz...which means its pretty much flat down to 30 hz, and up by 5 db at around 100 hz.  So, a theory of them having no sub-bass is not true, because they do have sub-bass, as much as there is on a recording.

 

[inthere]

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No.1 - HD25's are not basshead headphones, they are professional studio headphones...which, as amazing that might sound, are actually used by sound engineers and technicians all over the world, unlike the Solos...which not even Dre himself uses.
No.2 - they sound better than Solo in every single way, and still have better bass, even if that is the last the thing they were designed to do.
No.3 - yes, anyone who knows what he's talking about and actually has EXPERIENCE with headphones, will recommend HD25's over any Beats in a heartbeat, because you get what you pay for with them. You get a state of the art studio headphone that's pretty much been the standard in most studios around the world. Developed by experts, some of the best engineers in the business, together with people who actually work in the audio industry and give proper feedback...and know what they need, and what is good or what isn't.  Solo is designed by a bunch of sub-par inexperienced engineers who clearly don't know what they're doing and the reason they haven't gone bust yet is the marketing team behind them.
 
Sorry, but that's just the way it is.  HD25 and Solo can't be compared, because they're made for entirely different markets. One is made for professionals, the other for kids.

 
   1: HD-25's are not basshead headphones and Solo Beats are, end of story. 
   2: That's your opinion. You get a room with 10 consumers, let them hear both and at least 7 will pick the Solos, this happens every day in stores. 
   3: I have experience with headphones and I'd recommend Solos over HD-25's. 

 

[dbdynsty25]

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Ok lets do a fair comparison then with some other closed $200-300 headphones which totally outclass the similarly priced Beats:
AKG K550/551, K167 or K267 if you want more bass.
Logitech UE6000
Sennheiser HD380pro or HD25
Denon D2000 or even the new D400
Audio Technica A900X
Beyer DT770Pro and Custom One
Shure SRH940
KRK 8400
Aiaiai TMA-1 Studio
 
etc...
 
And if you want some nice styling as well,  Focal Spirit One, B&W P5, Sennheiser Momentum, eetc....not as good value as those above, but still excellent headphones.
 
There simply is no argument in favor of Solo's or Studio's, or Pro's.

 
I completely agree with "most" of the headphones on there.  I'm not sure why you needed to make a list, I just simply stated that Sekka was making a poor comparison because the two headphones that were "pitted" against the Studio were 2000 dollar headphones.  That was just silly.

 

[Achmedisdead]

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   1: HD-25's are not basshead headphones and Solo Beats are, end of story. 
   2: That's your opinion. You get a room with 10 consumers, let them hear both and at least 7 will pick the Solos, this happens every day in stores. 
   3: I have experience with headphones and I'd recommend Solos over HD-25's. 

Make it a blindfolded test, so they don't know which one is the Beats model. 

 

[inthere]

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  Solo is designed by a bunch of sub-par inexperienced engineers who clearly don't know what they're doing and the reason they haven't gone bust yet is the marketing team behind them.

 
   Yet these subpar engineers have designed a headphone that everyone listens to before buying and they're still flying out the stores...................you still refuse to recognize that Beats owners actually love the sound of their headphones.

 

[inthere]

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Make it a blindfolded test, so they don't know which one is the Beats model. 

 
 I would love to also do one for the members of this forum, in fact,I think I will.

 

[davidsh]

I started with etymotic hf2. Then an amp, dt880 following. Dt880 sold, HE-500 bought. Beefier amp, better DAC. Now I'm into Stax...

Came from Ibuds and a Logitech g35 headset.