Why the Beats Hate?

[inthere]

Taking it further off topic...

So...what intrigues me about your response is the lack of the Focal Utopia in your top three given the high praise by all the pundits. What gives? More pointedly, do you enjoy the K872's more than the Utopia's?

Just curious more than anything else as my line the sand is ~$1000 for a set of cans; though all the good reviews on the Ether Flow is making that hard on me.

 
 I sold the Utopia so I have to take it out of my sig, but before I sold it I let at least 18 people hear it compared to the Nighthawk and all of them preferred the Nighthawk. Almost all were music  industry professionals. Different type of sound. The K872 is a similar tuning only closed, and I preferred the Utopia to both the K872 and Ether C by a wide margin. Utopia was highly resolving but in the end a bit thin to my ears, and when I'm listening to music I personally prefer a more full sound. 

 

[GearMe]

Thanks! Good to know...

 

[gerelmx1986]

GROSS in the front page ALEXCLORIS is promoting BEATS X junk

 

[god-bluff]

GROSS in the front page ALEXCLORIS is promoting BEATS X junk

It might be me being thick or British or both but have to confess I dont kmow who Alex Clovis is. mate.

However I don't think I would want to know him (or her?!?) if the are making money like so many other 'celebs' to promote Mr Dre nee Apple's ghastly wares.

Nevertheless I appreciate your tenacity in fighting the good fight

Sigue adelante Amigo

 

[gerelmx1986]

 

GROSS in the front page ALEXCLORIS is promoting BEATS X junk

It might be me being thick or British or both but have to confess I dont kmow who Alex Clovis is. mate.

However I don't think I would want to know him (or her?!?) if the are making money like so many other 'celebs' to promote Mr Dre nee Apple's ghastly wares.

Nevertheless I appreciate your tenacity in fighting the good fight

Sigue adelante Amigo

mispelled hi Nick Axel cloris is a user here a moderator

 

[MICHAELSD]

I'm genuinely impressed every time I go from quality headphones to the Solo3. Nice punchy bass coupled with upfront mids. No distortion here. They honestly sound great for modern music. Treble takes a backseat but it's still present. Say what you will about Beats but the Solo3 nail having accentuated bass beyond the Momentum or the M-100 without sacrificing mids and only a slight sacrifice in treble. They're not better than those headphones, but they do sound different in a punchy manner.

 

[akg fanboy]

I'm genuinely impressed every time I go from quality headphones to the Solo3. Nice punchy bass coupled with upfront mids. No distortion here. They honestly sound great for modern music. Treble takes a backseat but it's still present. Say what you will about Beats but the Solo3 nail having accentuated bass beyond the Momentum or the M-100 without sacrificing mids and only a slight sacrifice in treble. They're not better than those headphones, but they do sound different in a punchy manner.

ONE thing I will admit beats does well is bass extension. I know the bass is overly exaggerated but it has no sub bass drop off which most consumer bass head stuff have, plus it has no spike in THD in the sub bass which most dynamic drivers have. Almost every dynamic "audiophile" headphone I've seen have tons of THD beyond 1% in the sub bass and/or a sharp sub bass roll off. Even hifiman's planar he560 has a huge spike in the sub bass region. The only dynamic headphone I'm aware of that can extend to 20hz without THD issues is the NAD hp50

 

[astralpen]

You have an odd attitude toward sound reproduction...

 

[god-bluff]

Don't like headphones that are tuned for a particular type of music ie modern pop in the case of Beats. What happens when the listener grows up?!??!

Money down the drain if it wasn't for the limited life span of the headphones themselves being less than the attention span of the typical user I suppose.

 

[astralpen]

Why would you need to sacrifice one thing over another?  A will give you good bass AND good detail...

 

[youngarthur]

Don't like headphones that are tuned for a particular type of music ie modern pop in the case of Beats. What happens when the listener grows up?!??!

Money down the drain if it wasn't for the limited life span of the headphones themselves being less than the attention span of the typical user I suppose.

I am 76 years old, and I have HD800,HEK,W60, and quite a few others. I also use beats solo wireless in ear.I must admit, I haven't quite grown up yet, and yes, my attention span is limited, but the beats are ok for general use, and convenient to use. I don't use them for critical listening, but everyone to his own. If people use the earbuds their device came with, and are happy, who am I to judge.

 

[god-bluff]

I am 76 years old, and I have HD800,HEK,W60, and quite a few others. I also use beats solo wireless in ear.I must admit, I haven't quite grown up yet, and yes, my attention span is limited, but the beats are ok for general use, and convenient to use. I don't use them for critical listening, but everyone to his own. If people use the earbuds their device came with, and are happy, who am I to judge.

Good for you. Many more years of happylistening. I never mean to offend. This thread is a bit of fun really not to be taken too seriously.

 

[gerelmx1986]

Don't like headphones that are tuned for a particular type of music ie modern pop in the case of Beats. What happens when the listener grows up?!??!

Money down the drain if it wasn't for the limited life span of the headphones themselves being less than the attention span of the typical user I suppose.

​Beats are tuned for certain music and not for other f.e put some Mozart on them and poor Mozart he will be Boomy bassy music

 

[007shark76]

I just worry that with Beats popularity that future high-end headphones will try to emulate them from market demand leaving fewer choices for those preferring a more neutral presentation. I think some of what drives popularity of certain headphones is the sounds we like from loudspeakers and some of that preference is learned from childhood and the popular music of the time. Personally I love the sound of cassette tapes on a good 3 head player. It has rolled off highs and doesn't go to the lowest frequencies. It is a sound I grew up with. Without even thinking about it, this is the sound signature I always prefer in headphones. So my Denon AH-MM400 and my new Oppo PM-3 are my favorite headphones thus far. I also have the Hifiman HE400S and Denon AH-D600 headphones which I only listen to occasionally because both have vastly different sound signatures from the afore mentioned. Now if I can just get Denon to make the AH-MM400 in an AH-D600 frame, I would buy it in a heartbeat because the AH-D600s are just so comfortable for home/desk use.

 

[ccdan]

 
​Beats are tuned for certain music and not for other f.e put some Mozart on them and poor Mozart he will be Boomy bassy music

That's completely false.
 
First of all, there's no such thing as "Beats are" ... one way... or another. They produce a variety of headphones, each of them with different characteristics.
 
Second, they do have not-so-bassy headphones that work well with classical music as well as other genres other than pop or hip-hop. One such example would be Studio 2/Wireless.