cooperpwc
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odigg, I very much agree with your analysis. These are interesting times for Head-Fi.
That's $1300 for the Combo - not including a DAC. The JH-3A is $1700-$1750. If you are willing to spend $1300, what's an extra $450? At the end of the day both amounts are a lot of money so it just boils down to the sound you want. JH Audio has an incredible reputation on Head-Fi. So if I had to buy without trying them first, I'd probably just trust getting the JH-3A for a little extra money.
I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just making a prediction for how sales will be. By including a Portable DAC_AMP+EQ in one package deal, I think a lot of people are going to look at the JH-3A as an incredible deal in comparison to buying stuff separately.
What I find really interesting was that JH Audio was the company that basically pushed everybody into the idea that an IEM could be worth $1K+. There were $1K IEMs before JH Audio, but they were generally reported to be underperforming for the price in comparison to full sized headphones. JH Audio somewhat set a new "High" price for what a custom is worth.
Now suddenly they've done a little bit of the opposite. They've set a new "low" price for what an all inclusive package should cost.
It's all very interesting (to me)...
Just think of all the people who proclaimed that the JH-13 was the ultimate end-all product, and they were done upgrading. Many of them have added new items to their collection since them (like T1, HE5, and others) and a decent number have even sold their JH13 altogether.
I definitely agree with you on that point. I actually found it quite amusing when people who declared the JH13 as the endgame were basically ready to write a check right there at the JH Audio stand! Sometimes a lot of the fun in audio is trying new stuff. This isn't an insult directed at anybody - rather just an amusing reflection on audio land and the so called end of our journeys.
I do agree that the JH3 needing one specific external box is going to be too limiting for some people. At the same time, this thread is basically empty and the JH3A thread is exploding. It's obvious where people's hearts are right now. The "All in one" solution seems like a great motivator and magnet for many people.
Hopefully once the JH-3A hype machine finishes its cycle people will look here
as the good man behind the Westone booth said (which I agree 100%)... it's sound is not measured by the number of drivers.
Amusingly enough, I remember a short conversation where somebody asked me about the driver configuration and I said 5 drivers, only one for bass. Their face (and interest) just dropped and they hadn't even listened to it. It's quite sad because there are even some single BA driver IEMs that sound great.
While I do agree that driver number is not the most important consideration by any stretch of the imagination. Hearing that a single armature is used to represent bass does leave one wondering from a theoretical standpoint whether enough air is gonna get moved around at those frequencies.
GreenLeo -...
Well I think it depends on what you mean by "enough air." The ES5 is NOT a bass heavy phone. However, there was enough energy down there for music to be represented well without *audible* rolloff. It was a pretty big sized driver!
Please note that I could not test the bass reproduction extensively in that demo environment.
Even the ETY ER4 has great bass extension with one driver for the whole FR! With a simple bass boost (I've tried it with a parametric EQ) you can reproduce a lot of bass from ETYs single driver. I even EQed the ES5 (just for fun) and the bass grew well, without distortion or problems.
Stuffing more bass drivers into an IEM may increase bass quantity and maximum headroom, but I don't know if more than one driver is required if you want something that is designed for a more "flat" sound.