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Swapped out the overly smooth syrupy 2604 opamp for a JRC 4580DD. This'll be staying for a while just gorgeous all around so far
Testing with the highly revealing JVC/Victor Studios HA-MX100-Z.

Was going to mess with replacing those 2 caps but only had 470uf's that were too large in size.
I really wanted to throw some Elna Cerafine in that spot but no such luck.
With this 4580DD opamp in the LPF socket there is no need to do so it has kept somewhat of the Elna RE3 signature or whatever they are stock, but dealt perfectly with their edginess.

=Unit here is the stock one but with the15V board/mod option.

***endia your picture there how are you managing to use that adapter board opamp? Is the height a little less than normal?
Does it not bottom out on the top board ?
I might see about replacing some pins on a couple adapter boarded opamps i have here to reduce the height. Maybe.
yes, it is a diy adapter, a standart adapter doesn't fit to zishan.. you need 8 legs of these pins,

https://goo.gl/sE7eBC

i stripped black plastic parts and inserted onto a bigger dip adapter, soldered the legs from long side to the adapter and then cut leftover legs from the top of the adapter..

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or you can buy one of that browndog adapter (second from right) as i have only one but needed 3-4 of them..
 
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Very much appreciate that post thanks.
Luckily I have all those parts around here somewhere.
When/if I get around to it I will post it up.
Thanks again.
 
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=endia did you also try the Audionote caps with the stock opamp ( whichever one you have ) ?
Think I am going to try to find some of those and give them a whirl, with stock opamp and with different ones.
Thanks for posting that up.

really want to throw in the 823 or 825, but need to whip up the shorter adapter.
 
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=endia did you also try the Audionote caps with the stock opamp ( whichever one you have ) ?
Think I am going to try to find some of those and give them a whirl, with stock opamp and with different ones.
Thanks for posting that up.

really want to throw in the 823 or 825, but need to whip up the shorter adapter.
yes, it was lme49720, very capable an all rounder but nothing exciting for me..

i also tried ad823 and really liked it's tonality but he can't stay there against intersil 28227..
 
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Alright, sorry to ask this at such a late time, since I had auditioned my Zishan family and even made a review of them, now I am a little bored and want to get a new player. Will you guys recommend me purchasing Zishan DSD asap or wait for few months in case there is a newer version of it?
 
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Alright, sorry to ask this at such a late time, since I had auditioned my Zishan family and even made a review of them, now I am a little bored and want to get a new player. Will you guys recommend me purchasing Zishan DSD asap or wait for few months in case there is a newer version of it?
I can't speak if Zishan creator is going to make a Zishan DSD upgrade/replacement, and from the looks of all Zishan family internals, continuing pumping out the screenless Zx series is probably more profitable for him:
1. a simple one PCB solution with not that many components, selling for $40, vs
2. a two PCB solution with LOTS of components selling for $145
3. prob more people willing to buy/try the Z2 due to its price points too

so... economically, i'd bet Z3 (AK4495 or Balanced drive, or both?!) comes before Zishan DSD V2 (a budget version of D200?)

anyhoo, if you are curious, yes, there is a noticeable SQ difference between Z1 (sorry I don't have a Z2... yet) and Zishan DSD. Now is it $120 better than Z1? or better yet, is it $110 better than Z2? that depends on what you can do with that $110. headphone upgrade? getting a portable amp to solve Z2 100ohm output impedance problem so it has better synergy with more headphones/earbuds/iems?

bottom line is, if I only have Z1, i'd be ok with it (heck, i'd even be OK with my iPhone 7 as DAP if I don't freaking keep loosing/destroying those damn Lightning to 3.5mm dongles), but since I also have a Zishan DSD and it IS better, I might as well use it, and I can use the Zishan DSD without an amp happily with all of my headphones, but since I already have a Fiio A5... why not
 
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I can't speak if Zishan creator is going to make a Zishan DSD upgrade/replacement, and from the looks of all Zishan family internals, continuing pumping out the screenless Zx series is probably more profitable for him:
1. a simple one PCB solution with not that many components, selling for $40, vs
2. a two PCB solution with LOTS of components selling for $145
3. prob more people willing to buy/try the Z2 due to its price points too

so... economically, i'd bet Z3 (AK4495 or Balanced drive, or both?!) comes before Zishan DSD V2 (a budget version of D200?)

anyhoo, if you are curious, yes, there is a noticeable SQ difference between Z1 (sorry I don't have a Z2... yet) and Zishan DSD. Now is it $120 better than Z1? or better yet, is it $110 better than Z2? that depends on what you can do with that $110. headphone upgrade? getting a portable amp to solve Z2 100ohm output impedance problem so it has better synergy with more headphones/earbuds/iems?

bottom line is, if I only have Z1, i'd be ok with it (heck, i'd even be OK with my iPhone 7 as DAP if I don't freaking keep loosing/destroying those damn Lightning to 3.5mm dongles), but since I also have a Zishan DSD and it IS better, I might as well use it, and I can use the Zishan DSD without an amp happily with all of my headphones, but since I already have a Fiio A5... why not
I see, thank you for the reply, as for Zishan Z2 review (Link: https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/zishan-family-z1-z2.22550/ ). Well I think I am getting Zishan DSD along with my other purchase from taobao soon since I like the signature of Z1 and Z2.
 
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I have the Zishan Z2 and the Yin Lu Mei D200+ (aka Smartplayer D200+). The D200+ has 2xOPA2134P opamp's. So i did put out one of them and mounted it to the Zishan Z2 to hear any difference in sound quality versus the LM4562NA opamp.

So my question; is it safe to use the D200+ with only one opamp, can I reduce the power consumption and has it any disadvantages :)

Here are some pics how it looks like inside the D200+ and the Zishan Z2 :wink:

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anyone has any impression of comparing fiio x5 iii ?against zishan dsd ak 4495seq??
 
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Hi. Ak4497 version not available now?
 
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Not sure if a new Zishan's version will be released... I agree on the simplest Z-series are much more profitable.
My upgraded Zishan´s back after 2-3 months in China to be repaired. I was used a LG v20 instead, a mobile phone with 4 dacs built-in -very good sound-, but it was to listen the zishan again to realise how much I missed this powerful player.
After reading the lasts posts I think it´s worth the d200+ and I´d start saving for it... another heartbreak for my tiny bank account! :hear_no_evil:
 
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Hi, I just ordered my Zishan DSD finally, I need your advice, I look for a super detailed, wide and natural sound, my headphones are some Alessandro MS2e, which OPA recommend that I buy to incorporate it in my Zishan DSD ?,
I was thinking about OPA Muses02, or even V5i SS but does anyone know if it fits the space of the player?
 
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After reading the lasts posts I think it´s worth the d200+ and I´d start saving for it... another heartbreak for my tiny bank account! :hear_no_evil:
me too in same boat with you;
saw usd 235 with coupons but still can't decide to pull the trigger :p
 
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