All depends on what definition of "technically superior' you are using. Let alone whether "technically superior" has any bearing on the perceived accuracy of the sound. In the end, all the purely objectivist arguments come down to "it measures better because it measures better" and seem to lose their connection to the actual experience of the music by the human listener.
Yes, this. You just hit the crux of the issue and answered the above.
Sounds like a bad seal: Bass should be very punchy and mids warm enough. But with a bad seal mids can easily become far too lean which, together with a brighter treble, may come across as shouty. I don't think it is, so it's really worth trying a few eartips.
I did get good bass out of them but I found them shouty as well. Only with metal though, they were good for other genres.
I think if he's coming from U12t many IEMs that are popular here could come across shouty. U12t is much tamer from mids to treble. Add a less than optimal seal and perhaps a leaner DAP or tips and you're done.
I also couldn't say I was "feeling" the kinetic bass but I was considering it very good, "end game" worthy. One thing I noticed is after few hours of listening to them while working I felt relief after listening to other iems (talking about low end), so I assume that is comming from the kineting bass. I also thought the upper mids were "peaky" (if that is the word), not very nice with electronic music. Also had trouble explaining how I heard that region, to be somehow "congested", probably the main and only reason I wanted to try other iems. And it was not caused by the tips, the first thing people tell you.
Agreed. Sounds like a seal and reference issue. The stock orange and black tips worked for me with kinetic bass.
Rn6 here and electronic music (and derivatives) is my general reference: I think the Rn6 is just brilliant and it's neither peaky, nor shouty, nor harsh etc. for me. At least not with the right module (silber, but black is also ok) and particularly tips: wider bore (AZLAs and AET06 for example) can actually cause the problem, as can the Symbio W (also Peel) stocks, which by the way don't quite fit me as I have SS and S as big ones and the Symbio W are S and M. So narrow bore for me: W1 or Type-E. Otherwise perfect fit, excellent sound: warm, colored, resolving, holographic, dynamic, incredible cohesive, with a fantastic bass... it's just fun, what more could you want? Well ok, better mids.
I considered Rn6 to be almost perfection, liked the lowend (didn't feel it but it was awesome), holography, openness, vocals, and timbre (at least the most natural for organic instruments I have heard so far). I can agree for the W1 also, probably mostly used them and cp145. Currently running Trifecta with W1 and it is bass experience not feeling, virtual reality of bass, I can call it like that
In my opinion, you have fit problems (and this explains the shouty treble even with electronics as well): I can't understand how you can't "feel" the bass. I can feel the bass very well, it's not only really "tactile", but above all plastic, somehow three-dimensional. I notice this especially in comparison to other iems without this driver.I considered Rn6 to be almost perfection, liked the lowend (didn't feel it but it was awesome), holography, openness, vocals, and timbre (at least the most natural for organic instruments I have heard so far). I can agree for the W1 also, probably mostly used them and cp145. Currently running Trifecta with W1 and it is bass experience not feeling, virtual reality of bass, I can call it like that
Lastly, while I’m at it, bass is a lot tighter and having a harder impact, noticeable with drums and I have a great lesser known track for it:
. Cheers to all!
