The Watercooler -- Impressions, philosophical discussion and general banter. Index on first page. All welcome.
Oct 25, 2023 at 4:38 PM Post #68,371 of 89,667
I was almost thrilled to know I might have a cheaper choice, until the end :). I demoed N7 for two-week and really like it, I was thinking about buying RU7 to replace my RU6 but ended up never pulled the plug since I always use DAPs.

I don't want to use this story to prove you always get what you pay for, however, in this hobby, most of the time, you have to spend much more to get more.
RU7 is magic to me. Worth every penny. And given that N7 goes for ~$1200 used, that's great sound at a great price, too. Not sure much competes with it in that range. It came really close, I will admit. But RS8 reigns supreme.
 
Oct 25, 2023 at 4:38 PM Post #68,372 of 89,667
Continuing your discussion.

I can understand categorizing CIEM FiR Frontiers not fully/partially tubeless given an individual's ear anatomy and your CIEM. But looking at the internals of a UNIEM FiR Neon 4, would you consider the UNIs fully / mostly tubeless since the drivers are directly connected to the Sound Reactor – see image below and FiR illustrations.

Just wow. Yeah, I suppose that may be fully tubeless.

And that's exactly why I asked Bogdan "Or maybe CIEM version has tubes because of a different build to the UIEM version, I suppose?" -- but he didn't respond to that.

Now this is strange than on your photo the sound reactor is such a huge part, and in the CIEM version it's just a little piece of black... tube. Hm.

Now I'm getting to know Fatfreq (considering what they have) and Rhapsodio (researching Infinity Ultra).
 
Oct 25, 2023 at 4:53 PM Post #68,373 of 89,667
Just wow. Yeah, I suppose that may be fully tubeless.

And that's exactly why I asked Bogdan "Or maybe CIEM version has tubes because of a different build to the UIEM version, I suppose?" -- but he didn't respond to that.

Now this is strange than on your photo the sound reactor is such a huge part, and in the CIEM version it's just a little piece of black... tube. Hm.

Now I'm getting to know Fatfreq (considering what they have) and Rhapsodio (researching Infinity Ultra).

Ja, I was also surprised at the size of UNI NE4's Sound Recator but figured it would vary in size as they increased the number of drivers going from KR5 and XE6.

I didn't label the drivers in the photo in detail but you can see the two open BAs – large one for mids and smaller for mid-highs and the open BA high with Sound Reflector not shown since it's in the canal stem). The two XE6 BA drivers would take up a fair amount of space.
 
Oct 25, 2023 at 5:09 PM Post #68,374 of 89,667
Can anyone point me at silicone ear tips that are larger than 14mm?
 
Oct 25, 2023 at 5:13 PM Post #68,375 of 89,667
As for the AüR drama and as one who likes their NP:

1. I don't like Nicholas behaviour since I realized that he had been posting on head-fi under the alias Joey Pang without revealing his connection to AüR transparently. Reading his messages on Facebook today almost made me spill my coffee...

2. I do like my Neon Pro and have shared my enthusiasm about it on head-fi - be it here in the Watercooler or elsewhere - since receiving my unit somewhen at the beginning of 2023.

3. I will continue to share my opinion about the Neon Pro despite 1. as I judge the product (which - for me - is what a platform like head-fi should mainly be about) and honestly believe it is a very good one, especially in it's price bracket.

4. Imo those who put their disappointment about Nicholas behaviour above their enthusiasm for Abels product are oversensitive and do not really help the community which is - or at least should be - based on honest opinions and experiences.

5. Because of that, my first thought about Jeffs decision was "wrong" given the fact, that the votes for the NP had already been given before Nicholas Facebook bullsh*t and mainly from well known names on head-fi and the Watercooler. Second thought though made me think "fair nuff" out of respect for those who asked for deleting their votes (despite me thinking 4.).

In the end it really is a pity that Nicholas does almost everything to ruin his and Abels brand reputation...

But now let me move on and listen to some new stuff. Andris Nelsons latest and final Shostakovich instalment is waiting :)
 
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Oct 25, 2023 at 5:13 PM Post #68,376 of 89,667
Can anyone point me at silicone ear tips that are larger than 14mm?
64 audio have XL tips of 16 mm. They're not listed on their website (yet?) but if you email them they'll sell them to you.
 
Oct 25, 2023 at 5:47 PM Post #68,377 of 89,667
... We're not able to audition them. And because we're not able to do that, there should absolutely be NO expectations whatsoever that we'd talk about them. ...
Interesting passage, puzzling me, given the fact that you are an Administrator.
Who is 'We'?
Many here did audition them.
Some even own them.
Are you proposing that because you - and whoever else you think of as 'We' - were not given the opportunity to audition them for free, nobody should talk about them?
 
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Oct 25, 2023 at 5:51 PM Post #68,378 of 89,667
Are you proposing that because you - and whoever else you think of as 'We' - were not given the opportunity to audition them for free, nobody should talk about them?

He was actually speaking to the people who were complaining that the Aur IEMs weren't being talked about enough here.
 
Oct 25, 2023 at 5:56 PM Post #68,379 of 89,667
Because of that, my first thought about Jeffs decision was "wrong" given the fact, that the votes for the NP had already been given before Nicholas Facebook bullsh*t and mainly from well known names on head-fi and the Watercooler. Second thought though made me think "fair nuff" out of respect for those who asked for deleting their votes (despite me thinking 4.).

There were a couple votes for those IEMs that came in from people who I'd never seen posting here and my main point was to knock the NP out of top 10. The folks who asked to have their votes taken off later was perhaps the universe balancing everything out.

I also think that if this IEM is really all it's being cracked up to be in some quarters then history will be the final reckoning and it will continue to make appearances on future polls we do of this sort. Experience has taught me that people's voting here is not capricious and generally consistent-- the true favorites of this place tend to persist through time and multiple polls. Time, as they say, will tell.
 
Oct 25, 2023 at 5:57 PM Post #68,380 of 89,667
An obvious choice for me tonight… along with a glass of wine.

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Listened to that this morning... followed by Natural Wonder Beauty Concept which I think you'd love.
 
Oct 25, 2023 at 5:57 PM Post #68,381 of 89,667
Crossposting some impressions and comparison of the new FATfreq Scarlet Mini hot from the DHL packaging...

FATfreq Scarlet Mini

Have had some ear time with the new FATfreq Scarlet Mini now and my ears are starting to wrap around just how much bass this thing is injecting skullside. At least, when they are not cowering in fear.

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In the world of IEMs and headphones, there are "all rounder" tunings and "specialist" tunings. The Scarlet is undeniably a specialist, a specialist's specialist even... a Basshead's bassy IEM. This thing is the Cardinal of Bass:

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Who you calling mini?

I have mainly been listening to electronic music with them for which they are such a treat. The sub bass is as advertised even more crazy than the blue line, but the overall tuning and the detail brought from the new hypertweeter really keep things energized. The balancing act the team at FATfreq have pulled off here is incredible. Delivering this much payload while maintaining coherence - let alone a nice amount of detail - a true challenge.

This is not to say it will be an IEM for everyone or all music of course. The bass is front and center, and care of a slightly more forward tuning is more frequently present than in the Maestro. While I think you could get away calling most Maestros Neutral with epic sub bass, the extra mid bass here definitely pushes these into a more pronounced v shape tuning. But when they work, for ears that are ready... these are special in a way I haven't felt since the OG mini :)


Red vs. Blue: Scarlet and the Maestros

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I have been busy hard at work comparing the Scarlet to my horde collection of Maestros. Very arduous and laborious work I assure you :) But for my cooler bros I will go that extra mile! In particular: the Maestro Mini, the Maestro SE and the Grand Maestro.

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Meet the Maestros, bottom to top: Maestro Mini, Scarlet Mini, Maestro SE, Grand Maestro (CIEM)


Mini vs. Mini

Starting off the comparison series post, we’ll cut to the chase and compare the Scarlet Mini (for the purpose of this post “Red”) to its blue bro, the OG Maestro Mini (“Blue”). Given this is the primary comparison of interest, I’m going to devote a whole post on this one and then maybe combine the MSE and GM comparisons in part 2.

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The Blue Maestro Mini were my introduction not only to the Maestros but to FATfreq as a whole. I was so impressed with them I blind bought a Grand Maestro within weeks and from there the sickness progressed 🙂


Technical

My Blue unit is one of the earlier run, without any meshguard (talk about tubeless lol!) so particularly on the build, there have been improvements made that aren’t exclusive to the Scarlet seen here, but are interesting to note. FATfreq have constantly been refining and improving their products based on the surge of customer interest and feedback, it’s quite impressive to see!

The Scarlet features the updated recessed 2 pin connector, now standard across FATfreq’s Maestro series as well. You can see on the Maestro some of the connector imperfections present in their earlier runs, it is much tidier on the new recessed mount.

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Also, note the improvements on the Scarlet nozzle profile. They’ve added a waist and taper to help it hold on to tips a bit better, something I appreciate a lot as the Mini’s are a bit prone to let them slide off.

Physically, the shape of the Scarlet is a bit more conformal, which made it surprising that, when I took these pictures, it was actually a bit larger than the OG:

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Note the exposed balanced armature on my Blue, these things really get the drivers into your ear!

I would be surprised if either Red or Blue caused substantial fit challenge. Both are relatively small by modern IEM standards and give lots of options to pivot in ear for the ideal placement.

The OG Blue mini contains 1 DD for Bass and 2 BA for mids and Treble… rather than depend on large drivers or higher counts, the minis put these in an exceptionally small form factor to get those drivers as close as possible to your eardrum. Seriously, look at that BA right in the nozzle in the above pic (covered by a mesh on newer Maestro Mini models, but impressive to see), that is bringing the sound right to your front door!

We can only speculate as to the configuration of the Scarlet - beyond at least that it is a multi driver, hybrid and not a tribrid. At least one of the BA’s is a new “Hypertweeter” that produces sound up to ultrasonics comparable to EST drivers to spec, something I’ll touch on in the sound off shortly.

In terms of sensitivity, I found them very similar in terms of power/SPL needs, both requiring substantially less than their Tribrid big bros.


Sound Off

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First things first. Yes the Scarlet has more bass than the Maestro Mini. Sub bass? Yes. Mid Bass? Yes. Bass Bass? YES.

It’s not a subtle difference either, it’s quite evident right away. Particularly the more forward boost protrudes higher up in frequency on Scarlet, so the Red’s Bass Cannon not only fires harder, it fires more often too. Whereas there are songs or even whole genres where you could listen to the Mini and not trigger the bass shelf at all, the boost is absolutely unavoidable on the Scarlet.

The tradeoff down low then depends on what aspect of FATfreq’s bass is most attractive to you. If you want the MOST bass, all day e’ry day, Scarlet is it. If you want a stealth basshead tuning that functions as a reference at fancy parties but somehow brings the woofer for Latenight, then the Maestro is the magic trick for you.

The upper mid and treble tuning differs quite radically. The lower/mid treble is much less pronounced on the Scarlet, this helps add to the sense of bass dominance, but it also masks some of the timbral shortcomings that are evident on the Blue mini which has relatively prominent ear gain. Whereas the upper mids / lower treble on the Scarlet is subdued, it’s a touch off kilter on the Maestro Mini, which adds a slightly cooler tonality to the otherwise textbook neutral mids/treble. Not necessarily unpleasant in either case, but a varying concession depending on your taste.

As advertised the hyper tweeter in the Scarlet does extend up to at least the 10s of kHz… it exposes some nasty edges in certain mixes or more frequently highlights recording noise. I’ll get into more detail (har har, pun fully intended!) on this topic when I compare the Scarlett to the EST loaded Tribrid MSE/GM, but in brief I find the combination of hyper detailed upper treble with subdued upper mids / lower treble on the Scarlet a bit unnatural. In most recordings it’s not an issue, but when it is noticeable I wouldn’t say to my ear it is an improvement over the more orthodox roll off in the Blue mini.


Any Color You Like

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It should be clear that I take the view that the Scarlet is a specialist side grade compared to its more generalist forebear, the Maestro Mini. That is not to belittle the Scarlet or what it achieves within the realm it competes in. While imitators are trying to catch up to last year’s models… FATfreq have kicked up the Bass to a whole new level, topping even themselves.

There is a new Bass king in town, but the Maestro Mini’s Reference + Mega Bass is still unique. It seems like FATfreq don’t view Scarlet as a replacement either, thankfully keeping both available in their stable of offerings.

Regardless of your choice between minis, I think you will be happy. Be warned though, these bass cannons are highly addictive 🙂
 
Oct 25, 2023 at 5:57 PM Post #68,382 of 89,667
He was actually speaking to the people who were complaining that the Aur IEMs weren't being talked about enough here.
Maybe I have misread - it is late over here, time to go to bed with the beforementioned album...
 
Oct 25, 2023 at 5:57 PM Post #68,383 of 89,667
Interesting passage, puzzling me, given the fact that you are an Administrator.
Who is 'We'?
Many here did audition them.
Some even own them.
Are you proposing that because you - and whoever else you think of as 'We' - were not given the opportunity to audition them for free, nobody should talk about them?
I think you may need to read farther back.

Step 1: Someone complains AuR isn't talked about enough
Step 2: Watercooler explains what AuR could do to expand their outreach and help get more "impressions in the thread"
Step 3: AuR tries to essentially buy votes in the thread poll and get free publicity
Step 4: Now no one cares if AuR shows up or not. Just not worth dealing with the weird shadyness.

Warren spoke as a collective we and I think he spoke well and clearly.
 
Oct 25, 2023 at 6:02 PM Post #68,384 of 89,667
A damn fine album (Joe Satriani, Elephants of Mars).

As one new to the vinyl scene (three months), this one gets played a lot.

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Oct 25, 2023 at 6:14 PM Post #68,385 of 89,667
I think you may need to read farther back.

Step 1: Someone complains AuR isn't talked about enough
Step 2: Watercooler explains what AuR could do to expand their outreach and help get more "impressions in the thread"
Step 3: AuR tries to essentially buy votes in the thread poll and get free publicity
Step 4: Now no one cares if AuR shows up or not. Just not worth dealing with the weird shadyness.

Also, relative to step 2, when it was explained what Aur could do to improve their outreach it was also suggested that there were other factors behind some people's hesitancy for the brand-- but no specific details were given at the time in the interests of avoiding drama. Then all of a sudden the individual in question, in attempting to organize a vote brigade for the NP, lept into action with more of precisely the same sort of behavior implied by the "other factors" comment. It was all very poetic really.
 
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