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Jul 29, 2022 at 5:53 PM Post #30,556 of 88,267
I enjoyed EX800ST a lot too when I had it :) it was like Sony were ahead of time with their IEM’s from that era. IER-M9 feels a bit like the spiritual successor to EX800ST. Balanced, warm with good technicalities. Have you tried the tape mod? Turns it into a full-on basshead iem. I personally preferred it without the mod as it’s already quite bassy.

Wow! I put some tape on the vents on the sony ex800st listening directly from only my lg v60. I immediately had to get some Aspirin and felt a tad bit nauseated.

With the tape mod, this might actually slam harder than lx. I have to ab to see.

Tested with this track
 
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Jul 29, 2022 at 6:30 PM Post #30,557 of 88,267
Yeah I'm not a 'mids rule' guy, but Kr5 had really poor mids. Like really poor. And neither its bass or treble made up for them. Don't kill me... 😅
lol. We like what we like (shrug) I feel like its justification post time though. Avert your eyes friends.

Kr5 has its upper mid-lower treble pushed down purposefully and, for me is great, if you listen to material that benefits from that tuning choice. It's the darkness on full display. Tames those blast beat drums. Makes you work for it like Xe6, just in a different frequency location.
Middle mids and bass are more alive and depth ridden than Xe6, and then it dips out at ~2k, while Xe6 bumps up at 2k. The kr5 dip at 5k is another bonus for me as I tend to dislike spikes in that area that are so common for teasing out detail in vocal/pop music but ruining metal drum overtones.
And you get used to it as it opens up just like Xe6's lower mid-mid bass hump after some time. Guitars and drums sounded better and more lifelike to me. And those are my staples. Only some electro sounded good. It was pretty obvious some frequencies were almost absent. With most electro, I preferred Fourte.

I wouldn't say its perfect for everything (its a specialist), but it was head and shoulders over Xe6 for the vast majority. I don't listen to too much bright or thinly recorded pop music (which is the thing I thought Xe6 was really good with and is pretty unmatched) Vocals were good but stuck in a muck of neutron star dense lower midrange. That density also shrunk the stage down to mid-fi size for my head.
Any recording that already had decent bass in it was just comically overdone. But also kind of wonderful in its own way, keeping it all its own lane (super rare to achieve)
Who doesn't want the bands bass player to have the staring role in playing quarter notes over everything. If I mixed like Xe6 sounds for rock music that isn't out of the gate thin, I'd get fired.

I am speaking on tuning only. The tech on display for both monitors is off the hook great. Xe6 has the best EST's I've ever heard, but its probably because it has the least amount of them. Ayeo!

My impressions are all tour units with stock everything and no Atom swapping. So you custom folks and tinkerers definitely have other stuff going on I have not heard.

And Ne4 was just not in the conversation after day 2 of listening. I found it very bland and for the most part, a kr5 without any nerve. Restrained everything. If I heard it on its own without the other 2 close by I may have had a different impression though.
 
Jul 29, 2022 at 7:10 PM Post #30,558 of 88,267
I have heard the U6T. IMO it's one of the worst IEMs in 64 audio's lineup. Idk it just felt bad and lifeless to me during my short session with the set.
Not sure if there was a problem with the U6t demo unit you heard, but having owned it and the A12t for some time now, I can say that the U6t really is the A/U12t's little brother. Tuning is near identical, with the U6t having perhaps a fraction more sub-bass. Detail and resolution is where they differ, but I don't think the U6t is all that far behind actually..
The Z1R did that for me. Great bass. Great treble. Great clarity. Great sound stage. Terrible mids. Out of top 5.
Terrible is probably a little harsh. But spending extended time with the Xe6 has highlighted the Z1R's deficiencies to me here, at least in the mid bass and lower mids. My takeaway is that emotional connection can derive from different instruments, at different areas in the FR spectrum, so which IEM works for you will depend more on this than the IEM itself.


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Jul 29, 2022 at 7:25 PM Post #30,559 of 88,267
Not sure if there was a problem with the U6t demo unit you heard
Might be, I was actually looking forward to the U6T but not after my first listen to the set. I actually auditioned the entire lineup at an official retailer's event in my country. i liked three IEMs from 64 the most, Duo, U12T, and U18S. Fourte was also good, but these three became my absolute favorite in their lineup.
 
Jul 29, 2022 at 7:33 PM Post #30,560 of 88,267
I love great mids and I love the Z1R. Go figure. That said, for me, mids are nothing without great bass and refined treble in equal measure. I get just as many goosebumps from a perfectly weighted bass rumble as I do from a perfectly hit vocal note. Both together...that's where the magic happens.
I personally think Z1R’s mids are grossly underrated but I suspect that’s related to source matching. @hshock76 and I have been sharing notes on Z1R + 1ZM2 and we both agreed that the 1ZM2 fills out the midrange very well. DMP-Z1 did the same, but I personally prefer the M2 pair up because the mid-treble emphasis has been flattened and pushed more into the upper treble region on M2 compared to DMP.
 
Jul 29, 2022 at 9:01 PM Post #30,561 of 88,267
Man! When it dropped (onto hard flooring) my heart stopped I tell you!
Oh yes, those were fraught moments as I braced for cosmetic blemishes or operational damage. Thankfully there was neither.
 
Jul 29, 2022 at 9:36 PM Post #30,562 of 88,267
Did some cable rolling with NE4: those who don’t believe in cable synergies, pls ignore. Just wanted to share if anyone may be interested to enhance NE’s detail retrieval capacity / potential (not saying it’s great in this aspect, but working with nuanced parameters), Iliad appears to do this rather well, my current fav NE4 cable pairing at the moment.
 
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Jul 29, 2022 at 9:44 PM Post #30,563 of 88,267
Did some cable rolling with NE4: those who don’t believe in cable synergies, pls ignore. Just wanted to share if anyone may be interested to enhance NE’s detail retrieval capacity / potential (not saying it’s great in this aspect, but working with nuanced parameters), Iliad appears to do this rather well, my current fav NE4 cable pairing at the moment.
Nice. Iliad has the added benefit of being pretty and soft to the touch.
 
Jul 29, 2022 at 9:50 PM Post #30,564 of 88,267
Hello friends,
Anyone here has any experience with the Softears RSV? i am getting one on a good deal from a known source. What shall I do? I was earlier planning to save up for U12T. But tbh I am not in any position to spend 2k$ for a single pair. I was thinking I will save up for a year or something but I feel like I also need a car hehe. So can someone shed some light on the RSV?

My personal experience with multi-BA sets:-
VE6XC(liked it but hated the BA Timbre)
Andromeda(Love its stage and separation other things are meh)
VE7(Balanced but again that BA plasticky timbre can be felt)
VE8(meh didn't like it)
Anole VX(Like it, although a little more body would be preferred)
U12T(Love it the most)
CA Ara(lean bass but nice detailing and separation)

Currently using Senn IE600, RSV will be to complement its sound. Please suggest accordingly. Thank You!!
In a comparison I had preferred the Monarch MkII (2) to the U12T. As that is about $1,000 or less, you may get the sound you want without compromise.
 
Jul 29, 2022 at 9:55 PM Post #30,565 of 88,267
Hello friends,
Anyone here has any experience with the Softears RSV? i am getting one on a good deal from a known source. What shall I do? I was earlier planning to save up for U12T. But tbh I am not in any position to spend 2k$ for a single pair. I was thinking I will save up for a year or something but I feel like I also need a car hehe. So can someone shed some light on the RSV?

My personal experience with multi-BA sets:-
VE6XC(liked it but hated the BA Timbre)
Andromeda(Love its stage and separation other things are meh)
VE7(Balanced but again that BA plasticky timbre can be felt)
VE8(meh didn't like it)
Anole VX(Like it, although a little more body would be preferred)
U12T(Love it the most)
CA Ara(lean bass but nice detailing and separation)

Currently using Senn IE600, RSV will be to complement its sound. Please suggest accordingly. Thank You!!
I think there’s a 64 b stock i sale going on. Don’t settle if you like the u12t. Plenty of cases of people selling and buying it back again
Nice. Iliad has the added benefit of being pretty and soft to the touch.
Primary reason of me getting the Iliad haha
 
Jul 29, 2022 at 10:01 PM Post #30,566 of 88,267
Nice. Iliad has the added benefit of being pretty and soft to the touch.
That is my ideal cable feel. The main reason I don’t want to get LL cables is that rubber/plastic feel, not quite for me 😛
 
Jul 29, 2022 at 10:18 PM Post #30,568 of 88,267
I’m admittedly biased and irrational esp when it comes to cables. I’m v happy with Eletech such that most of my cables are from them, Eric’s service and friendship makes me a core Eletech fan 😁
 
Jul 29, 2022 at 11:00 PM Post #30,569 of 88,267
I’m admittedly biased and irrational esp when it comes to cables. I’m v happy with Eletech such that most of my cables are from them, Eric’s service and friendship makes me a core Eletech fan 😁
Yes i agree, at the amount some headfi'ers are spending, customer service very important. Eletech and PW cables are my go to. Eletech for the excellent quality and PW for the cloth?nylon case :beyersmile:
 
Jul 29, 2022 at 11:26 PM Post #30,570 of 88,267
I think there’s a 64 b stock i sale going on. Don’t settle if you like the u12t.

I think U12t B stock is already sold out. But agree. If one likes U12t, then there is no replacement.
 

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