pdrm360
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I have a random question. Would the hd800, crack and speedball work well with hip hop and reggae?
It depends how you would like to hear them.
I have a random question. Would the hd800, crack and speedball work well with hip hop and reggae?
It depends how you would like to hear them.
Hey grizzly. For me, with the anax mod in place and minimally bright tubes, crack + hd800s worked with hiphop (can't comment on reggae). Absent these conditions though, high hats could sometimes be too hot for me to get the amount of bass I like for this sort of music without eq. (Admittedly, I like to feel the deep bass hit hard when I'm reliving my foolish youth bumping tupac etc.)
The mainline doesn't have any such issue.
Hey TwoEars - sorry for the much delayed reply!
First, just to briefly clarify "OTL" refers to a tube amp without output transformers (or - output transformer-less). SET refers to "single ended triode" tube amps, which means it is using a triode tube type and is not a differential or push-pull amplifier. Most of the commonly discussed OTL headphone amps are SET designs - such as the crack, woo 3, woo 2, dark voices, etc. These amps almost all use a 6as7(g) or 6080 tube, in series with high uf caps, as an alternative to output transformers. It is a pretty clever design where - in order to lower the output impedance enough to run high impedance headphones - the signal is actually pulled off the cathode of the tube, rather than the annode. The 6as7(g)/6080/7236/5998 family is really the only option if you want to accomplish this, so that's what all of the above-referenced amps use. Still, the resulting output impedance is a bit on the high side. When implemented well, OTL's tend to produce a full and pleasing sound (with high impedance phones - low impedance will sound anemic and flabby), but there is also going to be some bloom to the bass and likely roll off in the sub-bass.
The original zana deux was/is also an OTL, but of a different and costlier design with lower ouput impedance (and I would say objectively better sounding - very fast, detailed and dynamic). I greatly enjoyed listening to this amp at CanJam, and a family friend had brought an unblemished vinyl copy of HDS701 (see: http://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/vta_method_e.html ) along that we played on craig's system. It was one of the best sounding setups I heard all day. Of the cheaper OTL's, crack comes the closest to an original zana to my ears, but contrary to what some others have suggested in the crack thread, I do not think even a hotrodded crack truly rivals a zana. The new zana deux se, by contrast, uses output transformers, and I have not heard that.
The mainline is a highly regulated, c4s loaded, single gain stage, SET amp, with output transformers, and a big step up in all respects from the crack to my ears - notwithstanding that crack is a good sounding amp in its own right with hd800's. In short, mainline is more refined and detailed, faster, more dynamic, transients much cleaner, and bass far tighter and with greater impact. Trebles are beautifully extended but never strident, which makes it a perfect match for hd800's to my ears - better than a Zana to me (which, like crack, can occasionally manifest some treble sharpness), but reasonable minds can certainly differ once you're in the realm of these sorts of flagship products. As to the trebles and general sound signature, failed engineer discusses the same thing in his post a dozen or so pages back in reference to the ECP L-2 which is very similar under the hood to the mainline. To the best of my recollection, there was nothing I heard at CanJam that I liked as well with hd800's as the mainline (including the zana, WA5, and the $7k TTVJ 307A). I confess I have not heard the zana se, balancing act, or DNA products. If you'd care to read more of my ramblings about the mainline, I've posted some impressions in post nos. 43 and 48 here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/662240/mainline-new-bottlehead-premium-headphone-amp/30 Loquah has also written an exhaustive comparison of his impressions of the bottlehead mainline, crack and s.e.x. here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/683012/bottlehead-amplifier-discussion-comparison-thread-crack-sex-mainline
Congrats Feynamn!
Keep us informed how you like the Crack compared to the Vali.
Maybe I shouldn't have generalized the dismissal of the comparison between the two. But no matter what one uses to drive the HD800, it can never be made to sound thick enough to compare with planars. Given the way the drivers are designed and built, there's just too much difference to make the comparison compete for purchase decision. I buy both. They're not like a comparison or competition between the T1 and HD800.
That's just my personal take on the matter. Planars sound fun. HD800 is reference. Again, just my own interpretation. Peace guys.
Will do!
They had a pair of Audeze LCD 2 in the store as well. At first I was def. set on getting them, tried them on and instantly felt the rubbed against the top of my head. If a few minutes of use would do that then I don't see myself wearing them for hours on end as I've done with my HD650.
As of now I don't find the treble really harsh eiter, I thought I was a treble sensitive guy since I sometimes find the treble at live concerts to hurt my ears a bit but these headphones seems good and I don't feel annoyed at all!