Apr 13, 2011 at 12:30 AM Post #796 of 3,613
Apart from UI, I too would like to know if there is some audible advantage going iDevice>CLAS>JH3A vs. X3>JH3A.  


I think you've got that backwards. Fiio would have to mess up pretty badly to have a worse UI than an ipod. Of course, only because this entire market is a cluster**** can Apple's "Baby's first DAP" be considered a success....
 
Apr 13, 2011 at 12:30 AM Post #797 of 3,613


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Ah, I believe his claim was specific to the iPad camera kit.  That is a USB solution so mode of transport is a concern over USB wrt jitter.  As far as I know using coax digital will avoid those issues or they aren't applicable to the X3.  Until someone can chime in otherwise the CLAS is simply for people tethered to an iDevice and offers no more advantage over something like the X3 or iRiver feeding into an external DAC.
 
Apart from UI, I too would like to know if there is some audible advantage going iDevice>CLAS>JH3A vs. X3>JH3A.  

 
what you are saying makes sense.  I hope you're right ;-)  I would love to NOT have to buy a CLAS - my wallet concurs.
 

 
 
 
 
Apr 13, 2011 at 12:33 AM Post #798 of 3,613


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Apart from UI, I too would like to know if there is some audible advantage going iDevice>CLAS>JH3A vs. X3>JH3A.    




I think you've got that backwards. Fiio would have to mess up pretty badly to have a worse UI than an ipod. Of course, only because this entire market is a cluster**** can Apple's "Baby's first DAP" be considered a success....


Well, that's personal pref.  I'm not a fan either but the predominant market share swears by it.  That's an exhausting topic.
 
 
Apr 13, 2011 at 12:53 AM Post #799 of 3,613
Well, that's personal pref.  I'm not a fan either but the predominant market share swears by it.  That's an exhausting topic.
 


If market share is a valid indicator of quality then the Beats must be the best "high-end" headphones, right?
 
Apr 13, 2011 at 1:24 AM Post #800 of 3,613
Apr 13, 2011 at 1:50 AM Post #801 of 3,613
You were the one who said the "predominant market share swears by it [apple]".

I'm the one comparing them to the throngs of uninformed who buy the Beats because of its endorsements and marketing.

Its not because either of them inherently sucks, but because there are better but lesser known products that you can get for the same money.
 
Apr 13, 2011 at 2:17 AM Post #802 of 3,613


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You were the one who said the "predominant market share swears by it [apple]".


And that translates to me thinking the Apple UI is the best or that Beats are high-end phones?  I understand your point but I don't know why your are asking me questions about it or citing me as though they are my beliefs when I never said such things.  Maybe you misread my point.  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.  I'm actually an Apple hater as most people here know, so don't try to put me into a position of defending them to play some Apple/Beats troll game please.  Thanks. 
 
 
Apr 13, 2011 at 2:51 AM Post #803 of 3,613
Let's put this thread back to its track - if you were to read a lot about jitter, you will notice a lot of the discussion is in the domain of micro to pico second when it comes to modern gears. You really think you will be able to tell anything that is pico second apart? While it is theoretical relevant, I doubt many of the concern about jitter actually has any audible effect in practice. This is actually a big counter argument from the 'other' campaign that states that all the talk of jitter reduction is more marketing than everything else. It is still very much an on-going debate.
 
Apr 13, 2011 at 2:55 AM Post #804 of 3,613
just stumbled on this thread today, trying to read through every page of comments, very very interesting development indeed.
 
seriously wish this dap and the E11 have identical width and height, of course, thickness will be different. And when putting X3 and E11 together, hope that Fiio can come out wif some genius solution so that we dont need to use velcro or some rubber band. Also, a custom LOD for this combination, please!!!!!
 
Apr 13, 2011 at 4:16 AM Post #805 of 3,613


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Let's put this thread back to its track - if you were to read a lot about jitter, you will notice a lot of the discussion is in the domain of micro to pico second when it comes to modern gears. You really think you will be able to tell anything that is pico second apart? While it is theoretical relevant, I doubt many of the concern about jitter actually has any audible effect in practice. This is actually a big counter argument from the 'other' campaign that states that all the talk of jitter reduction is more marketing than everything else. It is still very much an on-going debate.


So ClieOS, the digital LO is a straight shot bypassing the DAC right?  Apart from the questionable jitter debate, the CLAS is simply overcoming a perceived hardware deficiency when acting as a transport that the X3 and others don't have to right?  Thx for the clarification.
 
 
Apr 13, 2011 at 8:06 AM Post #806 of 3,613
So it is basically an signal converter (mostly resides in the DAC) that converts the the data stream into SPDIF signal then output it to the digital-out. In theory, digital is digital - unless there is noise / error introduced in the process of conversion or transmission (i.e. jitter), then SPDIF from X3 should be identical to that of, said, QA350. To get accurate digital data from one device to another (i.e. X3 to an external DAC), they need to sync their clock (*working at the same pace). The clock data is encoded inside the SPDIF signal so the receiving end can use that to sync its internal clock.. However, if say the data is corrupted at the first place (i.e. a bad cable or a bad clock from the source), then error will be received at the other end. The receiving end won't know it is good or bad. The pro about asynchronous USB is that allow the receiver to go back and check the clock on the source to ensure the received data is in-sync (that's the jitter reducing part). However it is not to say S/PDIF must be inherently bad with jitter. A well implemented system can still achieve a very low jitter with S/PDIF, at least not to a level that can be detected by human hearing. Asynchronous USB greatly reduces the possibility of jitter, but it doesn't mean it must be there in the first place.
 

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