[bequietjk]

Must try the 880 600s someday.

 

[iFi audio]

Absolutely, in that context I agree, what choice do you have? I'm thinking about the hundreds if not thousands of posts that I read from members who are hot swapping at home and forming conclusions without realizing that a sound signature they are used to versus one that they haven't acclimated to makes for some skewed impressions. IMO.

We're on the same page then, comparing two products at home takes time

But I also can understand that sometimes differences between them are big enough that there's no need for that. It happens every now and then

 

[Sonic Defender]

We're on the same page then, comparing two products at home takes time

But I also can understand that sometimes differences between them are big enough that there's no need for that. It happens every now and then

I also agree that sometimes there are very clear differences, no doubt that can happen. But even so, personally I still would give myself that time to acclimate to a signature exclusively and see after some time do I still hear the new signature the same as I did at first, are the differences as large as I first thought they were. Time isn't always available, I get that it is a luxury indeed.

 

[iFi audio]

I also agree that sometimes there are very clear differences, no doubt that can happen. But even so, personally I still would give myself that time to acclimate to a signature exclusively and see after some time do I still hear the new signature the same as I did at first, are the differences as large as I first thought they were. Time isn't always available, I get that it is a luxury indeed.

Yup. Time gives us a wider perspective over changes both big and small and keeps early love towards new purchases in check. Several times a product that seemed great early on didn't hold its ground a month or two later.

 

[TrollDragon]

DT880 250 ohm here and they sound excellent on the Little Dot MK IV, it's cheap as chips, inexpensive to tube roll and would run the 600 ohm quite nicely too.
Beyers synergize perfectly with OTL tube amps.

 

[TC44]

Purchased a DT880 Premium, 250 ohm version back in 2006 and it was my first dip into higher end headphones, of course it opened the door to our hobby. I mostly tried being as frugile as possible as I know cost can add up quickly so mostly used or discounted items. I instantly loved the DT880, the sound signature, comfort and looks. I picked up a used Shanling PH300 amp and various DACs and subsequently purchased a pair of Sennheiser HD600 & 650, Denon D5000, AKG Q701, Grado RS60i and RS2i and a few more, but kept reaching for my DT880. I eventually sold or traded most of them, but never parted with my DT880. Later the headband deteriorated and my cable got damaged so they went in their case for a few years. Some years back I came across a good deal ($109) on a pair of new DT880, 600ohm Chrome edition and it matched very well with my Shanling and just recently picked up a pair of AK T1P, which I love.
Yesterday I pulled out my old DT880s, removed the damaged cable and converted to a 2.5mm dual connector so I can use with balanced outputs. I replaced the headband a while back and still using the original earpads...they still sound awesome.

 

[iFi audio]

DT880 250 ohm here and they sound excellent on the Little Dot MK IV, it's cheap as chips, inexpensive to tube roll and would run the 600 ohm quite nicely too.
Beyers synergize perfectly with OTL tube amps.

A lovely shot, thanks for sharing. It feels like that little Dot amp has been around for ages and it's cool seeing it every now and then.

 

[SHAMuuu]

@kman1211

You were talking about the exposed driver in the hd600 thread, and I don't want to derail it so I'll post this here.

Someone did do a fully open mod to expose driver, though I think what was used is an aliexpress driver.

I know the inner plastic can be removed.

It would take some bravery to do this to a t1. But... depends how badly you want to see the driver.

 

[gooeyrich]

Note, the Atom+ is slightly more powerful than the original Atom referenced below:

Wheezy Tech
1 year ago (edited)
Amp/DAC used for most of the testing was the JDS Atom stack. I have also used these with the Topping L30/E30, iFi Zen DAC, iFi Zen CAN and Objective 2/SDAC. I heard no noticeable difference in the character of the DT 880 using any of these amps. All of these amps are able to drive the DT 880 to painful levels of volume. All of these amplifiers are appropriately priced for such a low cost headphone as the DT 880. I paid £140 for the 880 for the purposes of this review. Any comments saying why this is a flawed test please consider: This channel focuses on entry level and mid-fi gear. It is entirely fair and appropriate to test a £140 headphone on a sub ~£250 Amp/DAC stack.

DT 880 600 Ohm at 96dB/V requires 105mW/7.9Vrms to hit 114dBSPL. The JDS Atom has a max continuous output of 125mW/8.6Vrms into 600 Ohms. It should also be able to peak much higher than this. Is the JDS Atom enough? Yep. At 105dBSPL the DT 880 600 Ohm only requires 16.6mW and 3.1Vrms. Even the iFi Zen DAC will reach this. With that said, from comments its entirely possible that these can exhibit considerable colouration using amps with a more old school design or when run on tubes. Its possible that the bass performance can improve considerably. But the short story is that if listening at safe listening levels, an amp like the JDS Atom has plenty of power and headroom available for the DT 880 600 Ohm.

 

[iFi audio]

Thanks for sharing, that's a cool vid

 

[FerroFluidFerret]

Note, the Atom+ is slightly more powerful than the original Atom referenced below:

I am slightly confused, kindly help me understand. Is this in response to something, do you want to discuss something that is mentioned in the video / description, or did you just want to add facts to a thread that in your opinion is lacking in that department?

I do agree with many of the things he says in the video, albeit not having had the time to listen to all of it. Most of the things I do disagree with could be because it is exactly the type of tuning I am looking for, whereas he is not.

 

[dstarr3]

I finished building my new Bottlehead Crack last weekend and to celebrate I picked up a DT880 600-ohm to pair with it. Between the new amp and the new headphones and tube rolling, it's a lot of new stuff to try to get to know all at once, but suffice it to say, the BHC+880/600 combo sounds tremendous. Instant love.

 

[Ghoostknight]

Hello

I bought a while ago my first "somewhat good" headphones, the DT880 250 ohms black edition after reading some reviews and forums paired with a relatively cheap FIIO E10K TC, while they sounded better compared to my previous headphones it wasnt really as exciting to listen to them as i hoped compared to my studio monitors but it worked for youtube etc
first i noted the beyer peak and yea toilet paper helped for the first weeks till i found the Oratory1990 Harman EQ curves, it was sounding fine then with removed toilet paper
now a few months later, 1 week ago, i bought a Aune X8 DAC and a few days later a used X7s headphone amplifier and WOW, the sound really opened up and it sounded quality wise much better and not so "dull/muffled" as with the E10K but im getting really overwhelmed with the treble now(notice, still with the Oratory1990 EQ which already handles treble a little), it sounds overall better but highs seem to get MUCH more emphasized now with the X7s, its not all highs but i rather noticed it with every sizzling S/Z/C/K/P/F letter in vocals (aka sibiliance) and its like REAL bad

the only thing that really helped was to add a highshelf filter to the Oratory1990 EQ ( 2000hz, -5db to -8db, 0.71Q ) which brings down the complete harman treble peak and beyond

something just doesnt seem right, either its the terrible harman curve spike (which theoretically should make them sound relativly "flat") but its sibiliance wise no shot against my room corrected studio monitors with the new headphone amplifier (i use on the studio monitors also a -1db to -2db high shelf mainly because of sibiliance, which is mainly in place for bad recordings, no real problem with good recording but sibiliance is just fatiquing otherwise in bad recording)

a thing that helped further was adding a delay to my crossfeed so i actually make use of the comb filter effect to bring down the 6-9k range further (plus the other dips) plus the high shelf filter

but im just speechless, could it be the "new" used headphone amplifier that malfuctions? or did it just open up the sound to let the "true" DT880 come alive?
im really baffled how people can listen to this extend of sibiliance, sibiliance really shoots up in front of everything if it happens, specially with S letters, like it sounds like easly 10db louder than everything else

am i just weird and too used to muffled heaphones or my room corrected studio speakers?
One thing that helped with sibilance on my studio monitors was exchanging the chinch cables to some better ones, but im already using the better ones to go from aune X8 to X7s, could it be the stock DT880 cable (and its just a problem now with the new amp) ?

my signal chain looks right now like this PC -> Aune X8 -> Chinch -> Aune X7s -> DT880 250ohm

Any advice for me?

Edit: its kinda weird tho, im ok with the harman curve (i think) treble wise it sounds ok and sounds (kinda) close to my speaker response till sibiliance happens which just stand out every time, now with the high shelf filter the sibiliance is of course better, but im feeling like it lacks treble overall... its just the goddamn sibiliance that kills me and its not fun to listen to

Did anyone exchange the stock cable and noticed better sibiliance?

 

[FerroFluidFerret]

What are some examples of songs that you find sibilant, @Ghoostknight?

 

[Ghoostknight]

is probably a good example in where you can really hear it sizzle in the female voice

but even good recordings like this one

where you can hear sibiliance but its not like instruments sounds overpowered its just the annoying sibilance

and dont get me started with things like Korn - Twisted Transistor


i should also say that this kind of sibiliance is a non-issue with my "nearly flat room corrected" speakers with the same songs (i know twisted transistor is kinda bad in the treble region, i actually use it as reference for sibiliance testing, thats why i have the 1db-2db high shelf on my speakers but with the beyerdynamics i need with the new amp now like a 6db-8db high shelf to make it to "kinda" the same level of sibiliance but now it lacks overall treble detail )
am i just used to "good" speakers? they are Presonus Eris E8, so not really expensive at all but sound muuuch better compared to the DT880 with the new amp
and its not like they dont have a good treble region, the treble on the Eris E8 sounds crystal clear, high in volume with detail but not sibiliant like the DT880 now

im just not sure if its the new (used) Aune X7s or the DT880, unfortunaly i dont have other "good" headphones to test, but i dont think its the X7s, reviews seem to be very good about it

MY GUESS:
The Aune X7s really let the DT880 show his potential now but im overall just not used to the bright headphone sound aka harman target curve or there are other issues like maybe the stock Cable, i really heared a good difference between chinch cables sibliance wise with my speakers since they were also kinda annoying sibiliant-wise while i started to use them ( and its not like im using some fancy non-optimal measuering chinch cables now, its just good quality sommercable cable, "The Spirit LXX" to be exact)