[Light - Man]

Steve Oliver owns er4xr too and I know he likes them

Hey Bro, why did you not mention me, who has also had them and *********************** hated them!
Not to mention that they feel like six inch nails straight into the brain!

Sorry Bro but I could not resist! but glad that you like them!

 

[majo123]

I also reckon er4

Hey Bro, why did you not mention me, who has also had them and *********************** hated them!
Not to mention that they feel like six inch nails straight into the brain!

Sorry Bro but I could not resist! but glad that you like them!

pmsl I think the nails bit is a bit of an exaggeration lol but I do think it would depend on your ears and fit , they are divided this i know being an owner quite some time but if you go on the thread and do your research a hell of lot compare this iem to much higher standards, pp8 being one of them, innerfidtlity / Tyll hertsen who I think was one of the best (no shilling there if he thought it was crap he would say) and headphonics both are accurate from my perspective...but as light man pointed out lol it is all subjective, but hey it always is.

 

[Layman1]

My girlfriend would make an excellent assassin..... no weapons needed and you wouldn't see it coming, she could talk you to death.

(Only kidding but she does like a natter)

In honour of your girlfriend, a Chas n Dave classic, 'Rabbit'

 

[majo123]

I actually do think

In honour of your girlfriend, a Chas n Dave classic, 'Rabbit'

definitely apt...a 4 hour girls coffee morning are quite common! What is there to say for 4 hours! ..I make my self scarce.

 

[majo123]

I also reckon pairing is key with er4xr , not so good with something too neutral like fiio m11 , my favourite pairing was hiby r6pro, the full sound and power were an excellent combo for me , I actually think the n6ii with stock module would be great as its been described as similar.

 

[Light - Man]

I also reckon er4

pmsl I think the nails bit is a bit of an exaggeration lol but I do think it would depend on your ears and fit , they are divided this i know being an owner quite some time but if you go on the thread do your research a hell of lot compare this iem to much higher standards, pp8 being one of them, innerfidtlity / Tyll hertsen who I think was one of the best (no shilling there if he thought it was crap he would say) and headphonics both are accurate from my perspective...but as light man pointed out lol it is all subjective, but hey it always is.

Indeed Bro, I tend to exaggerate just a wee bit!

I am the polar bear opposite of the Great Panda who usually found the best traits of the gear that he had.

I will always find the negatives and tend to overstate them.

If I was a reviewer I would never get any gear samples to review!!!

 

[majo123]

Indeed Bro, I tend to exaggerate just a wee bit!

I am the polar bear opposite of the Great Panda who usually found the best traits of the gear that he had.

I will always find the negatives and and tend to overstate them.

If I was a reviewer I would never get any gear samples to review!!!

Your not the first to compare ety and nails lol and being truthful about how you feel about a product is a great thing , I respect a lot of reviewers but not all reviewers for obvious reasons, I prefer the community's opinions and generally after a product has been out for a bit ...much more accurate and honest information...I too will never be a pro reviewer , always say what I don't like...like my dx160 which is my favourite sounding dap but Bluetooth being so poor it belongs on a 10 dollar player, I still love it though as the rest is fantastic.

 

[jerick70]

I did own the flares pro and I did like them to some extent, agreed the Bluetooth dongle sounded awful but my Bluetooth journey at that time had always disappointed , until btr5 nothing had ever come close to wired for me although my Bluetooth journey had always been limited.
My main complaint with the pros was a grainy rasping mids/vocals and this metallic sheen to the treble, this sounds worse in words than it was but it was the rasping vocals that I couldn't live with, I even sent them back under warranty to check them, it was actually a very good iem though and if the vocals/mids which should be the star of the show in my eyes had been ok i would of definitely kept them, lovely detail and the sub bass is probably the best I have heard on any iem in my limited experience.
Compared to etymoyic there totally different, firstly bass which the flares are very good at if you like bass , both mids and treble are far superior on the etys much more accurate, smooth and lovely....personally I don't know if you would like etys due to bass and they do lack depth to say something like multi driver andro, dm6 etc etc but etymotic have been doing this a lot longer than most and specialise in hearing products, what makes them excellent for me is there accuracy, its a more 2d sound being a single mico ba but the detail and realism is so accurate to me , when I first got them I described it like putting surgical instruments in my ears, precise accurate and very very clean , micro detail possibly the best I have heard and easily as good as andro or better at this... if I were to recommend to anyone etys , I honestly would say buy from amazon so you can return if not your thing, also give them a chance for you to become accustomed to there sound as it's unlike a lot of iems but if like me you do then you will go back to other stuff and think, these vocals sound wrong or this bass is bloated or this treble is too much, accurate accurate accurate is all I can say ..give em a try is all I can say , I will never sell my er4xr

As I've been listening to the Pro 2s, I think there are a few things that have changed as compared to the Pro 1s from your explanation.

Whats Changed:

1)The detail is quite good on these in all
areas.
2)Vocals are a bit recessed. But very slightly.
3)The presentation sounds pretty good, no odd raspy voices with these.
4)Bass isn't bloated at all. I think it's really about right. But I'm a bass lover.

What Hasn't Changed:

1)Fit is a tough one on these. I found a good fit though, it just took a long time.
2)Beryllium drivers do sound a bit metallic. I was expecting this. At least these are not like the KEF LS50s. The KEFs sound like everything is being pipped through an aluminum tunnel. And the terrible squealing spikes all over the audio spectrum kill your ears. Hate the LS50s! The Pro 2s sound much better and are a little metally sounding but not bad IMO.

These do need some play time to sound right. I guess brain burn in. It has something to do with how the sound is presented to each ear. I used to it now and these sound quite good to my ears. This may have something to do with voltage and sensitivity too. I noticed this when listening on the WM1Z but it went away when I feed these more voltage and power with my ASP tube amp, N6ii, and BTR-5. I think that's the issue. These are power hungry.

Another thing I love about the pro 2s is they play well with tubes. No hissing. I love it. I have hissing with most of my IEMs and my tube amps. I wasn't expecting this.

 

[jerick70]

Ok switching back to my Custom Art Harmony 8.2s and now these don't sound right. Hmmmm I guess brain burn in is real?

 

[majo123]

As I've been listening to the Pro 2s, I think there are a few things that have changed as compared to the Pro 1s from your explanation.

Whats Changed:

1)The detail is quite good on these in all
areas.
2)Vocals are a bit recessed. But very slightly.
3)The presentation sounds pretty good, no odd raspy voices with these.
4)Bass isn't bloated at all. I think it's really about right. But I'm a bass lover.

What Hasn't Changed:

1)Fit is a tough one on these. I found a good fit though, it just took a long time.
2)Beryllium drivers do sound a bit metallic. I was expecting this. At least these are not like the KEF LS50s. The KEFs sound like everything is being pipped through an aluminum tunnel. And the terrible squealing spikes all over the audio spectrum kill your ears. Hate the LS50s! The Pro 2s sound much better and are a little metally sounding but not bad IMO.

These do need some play time to sound right. I guess brain burn in. It has something to do with how the sound is presented to each ear. I used to it now and these sound quite good to my ears. This may have something to do with voltage and sensitivity too. I noticed this when listening on the WM1Z but it went away when I feed these more voltage and power with my ASP tube amp, N6ii, and BTR-5. I think that's the issue. These are power hungry.

Another thing I love about the pro 2s is they play well with tubes. No hissing. I love it. I have hissing with most of my IEMs and my tube amps. I wasn't expecting this.

From memory the vocals did sit a bit back possibly, they are a very detailed iem with a good stage, they too like ety have what I call a unique sig , but it is quite good and as you say i agree about the bass, fast clean and that sub bass whoa! You feel it! Not like any other iem I have heard in this area.

 

[majo123]

Ok switching back to my Custom Art Harmony 8.2s and now these don't sound right. Hmmmm I guess brain burn in is real?

I just think we get used to sigs , which is what makes me wary of judging an iem to soon , I can put the ety in and think noooo these dint sound as full or 3d as the andro, then after a while I realise there fantastic, then I put the andro in and think wheres that little bit of micro detail??? Lol but again its there just presented differently.

 

[jerick70]

From memory the vocals did sit a bit back possibly, they are a very detailed iem with a good stage, they too like ety have what I call a unique sig , but it is quite good and as you say i agree about the bass, fast clean and that sub bass whoa! You feel it! Not like any other iem I have heard in this area.

Exactly. One thing I noticed is cymbals and brass sounds really good on these. There is a little magic in beryllium. I listened to a pair of Usher Be-718 "tiny dancers" quite a few years ago. These remind me of them but not in such a grand manner. I'm really liking these more and more.

 

[majo123]

Exactly. One thing I noticed is cymbals and brass sounds really good on these. There is a little magic in beryllium. I listened to a pair of Usher Be-718 "tiny dancers" quite a few years ago. These remind me of them but not in such a grand manner. I'm really liking these more and more.

The pro were honestly a good iem but vocals let it down for me, I have considered trying the newer ones but fit was really hard for me to achieve infact they were the worst to get right I have ever owned ...my midget ears though probably had a big part to play in this so don't take too much judgement on the iem

 

[jerick70]

The pro were honestly a good iem but vocals let it down for me, I have considered trying the newer ones but fit was really hard for me to achieve infact they were the worst to get right I have ever owned ...my midget ears though probably had a big part to play in this so don't take too much judgement on the iem

Yeah these are very sensitive to insertion depth and positioning. What worked for me is using Flares foam tips in medium. I usually wear large or extra large. Big azz ears... if you look at the guy wearing these on flares page they kind of stick out of his ears. That's how I did it and it's really really good. These have to seal at the start of your ear canal not interested deep. The Flares foams keep this type of insertion in place really well. No fall out at all.

 

[majo123]

Yeah these are very sensitive to insertion depth and positioning. What worked for me is using Flares foam tips in medium. I usually wear large or extra large. Big azz ears... if you look at the guy wearing these on flares page they kind of stick out of his ears. That's how I did it and it's really really good. These have to seal at the start of your ear canal not interested deep. The Flares keep this type of insertion in place really well. No fall out at all.

having small ears this was hard to achieve, I would have to insert a little deeper else they would fall out ....honestly I liked this iem a hell of a lot, it was one of those moments where I actually was gutted because it was very nearly a fantastic iem for me, bass even though I'm no bass head I loved because it was clean fast and in no way interfered with the rest of the sig, great stage and separation with excellent detail too ..this is why I sent them back i honestly hoped the rasping on the vocals was a fault more than the sig itself...sadly this is the case for a lot of us with different gear, fit , how we respond to different frequencys all have a major part to play.