Sony Walkman custom firmware (non-Android)

[Mathieulh]

"Spouting out nonsense" sorry mate, this is where I quit engaging with you, because no matter what I say it'll just be nonsense to you because you've already made your mind up

Remember that I have always been willing to evaluate your conclusions and how you arrived at them, but telling me to go look myself is like claiming that you have invented a vaccine for Covid but then told everyone to go synthesise it themselves.

Have a good day.

To me "it sounds better to my ears" is 100% subjective, and thus nonesensical from a scientific or engineering standpoint. Either you can measure it (with accurate instruments, and not just human ears), or ascertain it (for example if you can't see profile changes across destinations after doing RE on the firmware), or it's hearsay at best, and thus 100% inconclusive (aka, nonesense).

I am sorry to say, but sound/audio engineers don't only "use their ears" to profile/tune equipment for mass production, that would be, to say the least, ludicrous.

 

[unifutomaki]

The J region sounds the best-est to me because I love Japanese food, culture, music, anime, video games, and Sony. All regions are great because Walkmans are great but J just has that X-factor. I listen to my Japanese MP3 player with Japanese earphones that are all about the J. The weeb in me shall never die.

Deal with it.

 

[Mathieulh]

The J region sounds best to me because I love Japanese food, culture, music, anime, video games, and Sony. The weeb in me shall never die.

Deal with it.

Fair enough, after all, the way to use equipment is the way you enjoy it the most, placebo effect or not xD

 

[nc8000]

To me "it sounds better to my ears" is 100% subjective, and thus nonesensical from a scientific or engineering standpoint. Either you can measure it (with accurate instruments, and not just human ears), or ascertain it (for example if you can't see profile changes across destinations after doing RE on the firmware), or it's hearsay at best, and thus 100% inconclusive (aka, nonesense).

I am sorry to say, but sound/audio engineers don't only "use their ears" to profile/tune equipment for mass production, that would be, to say the least, ludicrous.

So you clearly are of the school that everything can be decided by measuring so I assume that you never listen to anything before buying, just look at the measurement as you then know exactly how it will sound.

 

[WilcoRoger]

False conclusion - measurements would show differences, not preferences

 

[INGRAMLI]

To me "it sounds better to my ears" is 100% subjective, and thus nonesensical from a scientific or engineering standpoint. Either you can measure it (with accurate instruments, and not just human ears), or ascertain it (for example if you can't see profile changes across destinations after doing RE on the firmware), or it's hearsay at best, and thus 100% inconclusive (aka, nonesense).

I am sorry to say, but sound/audio engineers don't only "use their ears" to profile/tune equipment for mass production, that would be, to say the least, ludicrous.

>To me "it sounds better to my ears" is 100% subjective,

This statement itself is true, having said that, when 90 out of 100 people are of the opinion that one is better than another, it is objective to say that "A is better than B for most people"

>Either you can measure it (with accurate instruments, and not just human ears), or ascertain it (for example if you can't see profile changes across destinations after doing RE on the firmware), or it's hearsay at best, and thus 100% inconclusive (aka, nonesense).

Sorry to say that, you have too much faith (well this one is subjective, IMO, tho) to the existing technology and the know-how of science. While human being is subjective, it is a FACT that some animals (lets say, bat), and possibly some of us have better hearing than the existing scientific instruments can measure.
In addition, when it comes to sound, the matter could be complicated than you thought it is. SNR, THD, Frequency response curve.... you need to measure the right thing to draw a proper conclusion, and IMHO even now there are still parameter(s) that are not yet defined to determination of the quality of audio reproduction, further research is needed to explain why people prefer one kind of audio reproduction over another. Stressing on measurements won't make you enjoy the music more just because it measures better, unless you buy a DAP for scientific purpose.

 

[godfall]

you can't explain things to close minded people. they already have their perception on things and won't accept other's opinion.
also, it's just a matter of respect to one another, like how the discussion was before, on how they like this region to the other. i love how they expresses their own, healthy discussion.
unlike to the one who just drops what they know and stated that it's just a placebo or the likes, and it's like saying that you should just accept it because he says so.

 

[unifutomaki]

Who knows, maybe we are all suffering from a mass psychogenic illness here on HF, what with compulsive buying of transducers, spending thousands on DAPs and hundreds more on cables to go with those DAPs, arguing about digital filters on DACs that affect frequencies that only bats can hear, arguing about natural timbre which some claim isn't even a quality of the transducer, and talking about holographic soundstages when that is literally a percept that is constructed entirely in your head. Madness I tell ya. In the asylum, nobody is aware that they're insane.

Now let me press play on my sine wave because that is my most scientific music

 

[Mathieulh]

>To me "it sounds better to my ears" is 100% subjective,

This statement itself is true, having said that, when 90 out of 100 people are of the opinion that one is better than another, it is objective to say that "A is better than B for most people"

>Either you can measure it (with accurate instruments, and not just human ears), or ascertain it (for example if you can't see profile changes across destinations after doing RE on the firmware), or it's hearsay at best, and thus 100% inconclusive (aka, nonesense).

Sorry to say that, you have too much faith (well this one is subjective, IMO, tho) to the existing technology and the know-how of science. While human being is subjective, it is a FACT that some animals (lets say, bat), and possibly some of us have better hearing than the existing scientific instruments can measure.
In addition, when it comes to sound, the matter could be complicated than you thought it is. SNR, THD, Frequency response curve.... you need to measure the right thing to draw a proper conclusion, and IMHO even now there are still parameter(s) that are not yet defined to determination of the quality of audio reproduction, further research is needed to explain why people prefer one kind of audio reproduction over another. Stressing on measurements won't make you enjoy the music more just because it measures better, unless you buy a DAP for scientific purpose.

1. We aren't "bats" the human ear can percieve frequencies between 20hz and 22khz at best (in practice it's more from 200hz to 20khz), something current equipment used in measurements can sample just fine.

2. It's about measuring a differential (2 possible different sound signatures on the same device/equipment using 2 different settings/profiles), ie. Either they match, or they don't, it's not about ascertaining the different quality of each of those signatures, for such a differential analysis, current audio equipment (or even most low end scopes) are more than enough.

3. Of course I'll actually listen to a Led Zeppelin album whenever I want to enjoy it, rather than looking at it through a VU meter, that's not what this is about at all.

4. The placebo effect, is well known and understood, more so when it comes to audio engineering, this is why even professional double blind tests use a control group.

 

[Mathieulh]

So you clearly are of the school that everything can be decided by measuring so I assume that you never listen to anything before buying, just look at the measurement as you then know exactly how it will sound.

Do you seriously deem this post worthy of a reply?

 

[Queen6]

I'm a multi role engineer, what can be definitively said is there's an awful lot in this world we know about and we can prove beyond any doubts. Yet there is far more we don't fully understand, nor will we in the short to mid term. Closed minds are what they are, that's why some bring change to the world and some stay on rails...

Q-6

 

[nc8000]

Do you seriously deem this post worthy of a reply?

Well it was clearly of a higher quality than most of your posts .....

To sum your position: I'm right, you are all wrong, I know what I'm talking about, you all don't. Trust me

 

[INGRAMLI]

1. We aren't "bats" the human ear can percieve frequencies between 20hz and 22khz at best (in practice it's more from 200hz to 20khz), something current equipment used in measurements can sample just fine.

2. It's about measuring a differential (2 possible different sound signatures on the same device/equipment using 2 different settings/profiles), ie. Either they match, or they don't, it's not about ascertaining the different quality of each of those signatures, for such a differential analysis, current audio equipment (or even most low end scopes) are more than enough.

3. Of course I'll actually listen to a Led Zepplin album whenever I want to enjoy it, rather than looking at it through a VU meter, that's not what this is about at all.

4. The placebo effect, is well known and understood, more so when it comes to audio engineering, this is why even professional double blind tests use a control group.

1. You can argue human ears are not as good as equipment in the measurements they are designed for, but those equipment are not capable to explain why people prefer some audio reproduction over another;

2&4. I, and many people here won't bother to do such a test, to be honest, placebo effect or not is not most important matter, enjoy or not is. You can try it out, come back and tell us your finding, though.

As always, you are entitled to your opinion. At the same time, please respect others' observation about their own preference in sound, even if you think that is non-sense (to you).

 

[Mathieulh]

Well it was clearly of a higher quality than most of your posts .....

To sum your position: I'm right, you are all wrong, I know what I'm talking about, you all don't. Trust me

Yeah, because "it sounds better to my ears" seems to be so objective, right? Especially when I tell you the difference (or lackthereof) can be measured and how.

This makes me think of people claiming there's been election fraud, yet being unable to produce any proof of it, we are talking of a similar level of delusion.

As to your post, implying that I can only enjoy music looking at it through measurements, is not constructive, at best, and has nothing to do with the current argument either; other than being some kind of gratuitous personal attack.

 

[godfall]

Well it was clearly of a higher quality than most of your posts .....

To sum your position: I'm right, you are all wrong, I know what I'm talking about, you all don't. Trust me

true.