philk34
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Onkyo balance output is 2.5 :|
Sure. It is like AK balanced. It does not mean that balanced can feed single ended headphone. Not the purpose.
Onkyo balance output is 2.5 :|
Give the reference. I see only female 3.5mm TRRS to AK 2.5mm 4 poles males.
Luvdac ask for 3.5mm TRS to TRRS, what is not sutable (according to a previous post).
Sure. It is like AK balanced. It does not mean that balanced can feed single ended headphone. Not the purpose.
This was probably asked and answered before but please tell me if and how would it be possible to plug in a 3.5 mm trs jack into the onkyo"s balanced out trrs? Can an adapter be used and if so where can I get one?
This was probably asked and answered before but please tell me if and how would it be possible to plug in a 3.5 mm trs jack into the onkyo"s balanced out trrs? Can an adapter be used and if so where can I get one?
No, you cannot.
You can plug balanced headphone on SE output through a converter. Not the opposite.
Don't understand why anyone would go through all that extra complexity since Onkyo already included AGC mode for the SE out. So you can take advantage of the dual chip setup using SE headphones. Doubt it will sound quite as good as the balanced out but neither will SE connected to balanced with adapters.
Correct me if I wrong, but AFAIK AGC mode use dual amp for SE to reduce noise floor. Are you sure for dual chip for ACG mode?
Here's why there's no easy way to convert something with 3 signals (or rings/poles) into 4:
If you put a regular TRS 3-pole 3.5mm (with an adapter) into the 4-pole 2.5mm of the Onkyo it will create a ground loop that could cause damage.
The only reason its ok to go from balanced to SE is because 2 of the 4 TRRS signals get combined into a common ground. So you go from having 2 left and 2 right signals (which are self cancelling thus no true ground is needed; hence the word balanced) to just 1 left, 1, right, and a common ground.
However, trying to go from 1 left, 1 right, and a ground (TRS) back to 2 left and 2 right signals (TRRS) leaves 1 ring of the 4-pole sending signals to itself with no where to go (stuck in a loop). The minimal power from that constant loop can fry something over time unless that remaining ring signal can be wired to a separate, y-split connected to the 3.5mm jack as a ground. A&K did this with their TRRS to dual XLR cables:
http://shop.iriverinc.com/astell-kern/astell-kern-pef21-5ft-xlr-balanced-cable-made-by-crystal-cable.html
http://www.amazon.com/Astell-Kern-PEF21-Balanced-Connectors/dp/B0117WF1CQ
Don't understand why anyone would go through all that extra complexity since Onkyo already included AGC mode for the SE out. So you can take advantage of the dual chip setup using SE headphones. Doubt it will sound quite as good as the balanced out but neither will SE connected to balanced with adapters.
If you really must insist on using the balanced out, it is much safer, easier, and cost effective to just use true balanced headphones and cables from the start.
Thanks for the detailed and informative reply, but as has been suggested by others the Onkyo uses both dac chips only in balanced mode. Can someone absolutely confirm this? I'd love to be able to utilize the balanced mode with my NAD hp50 and stax srs 002's. I suppose the NAD could take balanced cables but dont think its possible with the stax. Which over ear headphones would work? I dont like IEM's.
Thanks for the detailed and informative reply, but as has been suggested by others the Onkyo uses both dac chips only in balanced mode. Can someone absolutely confirm this? I'd love to be able to utilize the balanced mode with my NAD hp50 and stax srs 002's. I suppose the NAD could take balanced cables but dont think its possible with the stax. Which over ear headphones would work? I dont like IEM's.
Apparently Onkyo has published a very very small firmware update for the DAP:
http://www.jp.onkyo.com/support/audiovisual/dap_soft/dpx1.htm
Update via WiFi only.
*Should take the version to 0.1.25.4
*Increase system stability when switching between balance modes
*Android security improvements
EDIT: download is 700megs, yeah use wifi and make sure your DAP is charged
Mine came down already. Not really finding any major differences.