ONKYO DP-X1 | Dual Sabre Dacs | Balanced | Sabre BTL Amp | MQA | DSD 256 | Android 5 |
post-11910057
Thread Starter
Post #1 of 16,199

T.R.A.N.C.E.

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Mar 24, 2010
Messages
3,193
Reaction score
1,049
Joined
Mar 24, 2010
Posts
3,193
Likes
1,049
Onkyo and Pioneer collaborated on making the daps Onkyo DP-X1 and Pioneer XDP-100R. Onkyo actually owns Pioneer's AV division, so it's Onkyo pulling the strings behind both daps, and has thus set up the DP-X1 as the flagship of the two daps. Releases in November.
 
Onkyo DP-X1 and Pioneer XDP-100R analog section differences:
 
Onkyo DP-X1:
Dacs: 2x ESS Sabre ES9018K2M
Amp: 2x ESS Sabre 9601K in BTL config and Active Control Ground (an industry first).
Outputs: Balanced 2.5mm, and Single ended 3.5mm.
Power output: 150mW+150mW (balanced), 75mW+75mW (single ended). Supports 16Ω--600Ω.
Output Impedance: 0.5 ohm (single ended), 1 ohm (balanced).
 
Pioneer XDP-100R:
Dac: 1x ESS Sabre ES9018K2M
Amp: 1x ESS Sabre 9601K
Output: Single ended 3.5mm.
Power output: 75mW+75mW. Supports 16Ω--300Ω.
Output Impedance: 0.5 ohm (single ended)
 
 
DP-X1 and XDP-100R have the same digital section with industry leading performance:
 
Android 5.1.1 (Onkyo and Pioneer will have their own skins and apps though) 
Snapdragon 801 2.3ghz Quadcore
4.7" 1280*720 HD screen (312 PPI)
2GB RAM
32GB internal storage
Dual Micro SD slots (SDXC)
Wifi 802.11AC, DLNA
Bluetooth AptX
Google apps, Spotify, Tidal, Deezer, etc
MQA Playback (an industry first)
PCM 384khz
DSD 256
Line Out
3x Gain- Low/Normal/High
Digital Out (via usb, up to DoP DSD 256 and PCM 384khz)
usb OTG
Volume Knob with 161 steps for fine control
Sound Settings:
-Stand alone mode: All transmitting electronics are disabled to produce best sq, screen, wifi, bluetooth, etc, and all their power supply circuits are all disabled, creating a pure audio environment.
-11 Band Parametric EQ, max 16,384 adjustable bands, decimal dB increments, Finite Impulse Response filter to prevent sq degradation with eq.
-Upsampling up to 384khz (Mode and Limit options also).
-3 Digital Filters: Slow, Fast, Short Delay.
-Lock Range adjust to eliminate jitter.
-Real time conversion of PCM to DSD 128 (digital out only).
-DSP
-L/R balance
Battery life 16 hours with hi-res.
Machined Aluminium Unibody, Anodized Finish.
Weight: 203g
Dimensions(mm):128.9*75.9*12.7
 
RMAA spec measurements: http://ohm-image.net/data/audio/rmaa-onkyo-dp-x1-24-bit
 
DP-X1 Product Page: http://www.jp.onkyo.com/audiovisual/headphone/dpx1/index.htm
 
DP-X1 Press Release: http://www.jp.onkyo.com/news/newproducts/audio/dp_x1/DP-X1.pdf
 



 
Onkyo DP-X1 and Pioneer XDP-100R will have two separate PCB's for the digital and analog sections to stop noise from digital components getting into the analog section.
They also have "closed loop" circuitry for the dac and amp section to isolate it. The power supply is also distinctly positioned further away, to further isolate any noise from power supply.
 


 
 
CPU board, the processing is the most powerful of any dap yet.
 

 
ACG and BTL are two modes that can be used when in balanced 2.5mm connection with DP-X1. ACG is a mode that uses the 4 output's of the two amp's to provide two separated grounds for left and right channel's, similar to ZX2's TRRS output, but Onkyo also has "Active Control" over the two ground's. If you go to the trouble of balancing your hp's it seems you have two completely different output modes to play with, we get to enjoy a tech that other dap's don't have. Some other tech in the Onkyo that no other daps have include the lock range adjust for the timing of the PLL for the dac.
 
 
Onkyo and Philips collaborated on creating 4 headphones designed to run balanced from the Onkyo DP-X1. Philips make some of my favorite headphones/iems, so I really look forward to these collaboration headphones shown below:
 
E900M Hybrid iem: 3 way crossover, 1 treble BA + 1 Mids BA + 6mm Dynamic Driver. Aluminium enclosure, MMCX detachable cable, balanced ready.
 

 
Open back A800, and Closed back H900M, both 50mm Dynamic Drivers with Aluminium enclosures. Also a portable closed back, H500M with 40mm drivers and aluminium enclosure.
 

 
post-11910748
Post #3 of 16,199

kawaivpc1

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Apr 9, 2014
Messages
1,716
Reaction score
89
Joined
Apr 9, 2014
Posts
1,716
Likes
89
This looks much better than AK380 and AK240.
If they offer this under $600, I'm buying it. 
I hope they don't go mad on pricing like iRiver now. 
 
     Share This Post       
post-11910754
Post #4 of 16,199

Replicant187

500+ Head-Fier
Joined
Feb 10, 2014
Messages
559
Reaction score
79
Joined
Feb 10, 2014
Posts
559
Likes
79
one journalist said it's gonna be under 100k yen.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11910782
Post #5 of 16,199

kawaivpc1

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Apr 9, 2014
Messages
1,716
Reaction score
89
Joined
Apr 9, 2014
Posts
1,716
Likes
89
one journalist said it's gonna be under 1k yen.
1k yen is about 1000 USD or perhaps 900 USD....
It should be under $600. Otherwise, it simply doesn't make ANY SENSE.
 
A lenovo laptop with a 256GB SSD and quad-core i7 CPU is about 600 dollars now. 
Are these guys making something better? obviously no. Even if they sound better than a phone, these devices aren't any better than Samsung, Lenovo, HTC's electronics in terms of price, quality, firmware, design, functionality, etc. 
 
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: GrigoryV
post-11910786
Post #6 of 16,199

AUDIOBREEDER

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Nov 12, 2012
Messages
1,596
Reaction score
89
Joined
Nov 12, 2012
Posts
1,596
Likes
89
this is really good for music lovers and could spell the end of a&k streak with their ridiculous prices and ugly players.
$1000 is maximum one should pay for a 'quality' dap (same goes for an iem)
 
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: Soundtrap
post-11910844
Post #7 of 16,199

kawaivpc1

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Apr 9, 2014
Messages
1,716
Reaction score
89
Joined
Apr 9, 2014
Posts
1,716
Likes
89
this is really good for music lovers and could spell the end of a&k streak with their ridiculous prices and ugly players.
$1000 is maximum one should pay for a 'quality' dap (same goes for an iem)
No.. 1000 dollars is still too much for a music player.
Steve Jobs charged only 200 dollars for the best music player of his time.
I think $500 is more appropriate price since majority of amazing SSD quadcore CPU laptops and good Samsung smartphones are still cheaper than that.
iRiver should totally resign from the market....$3500 DAP is the strangest thing I've heard. 
I hope Onkyo guys are more reasonable. 
 
     Share This Post       
post-11910880
Post #8 of 16,199

Replicant187

500+ Head-Fier
Joined
Feb 10, 2014
Messages
559
Reaction score
79
Joined
Feb 10, 2014
Posts
559
Likes
79
No.. 1000 dollars is still too much for a music player.
Steve Jobs charged only 200 dollars for the best music player of his time.
I think $500 is more appropriate price since majority of amazing SSD quadcore CPU laptops and good Samsung smartphones are still cheaper than that.
iRiver should totally resign from the market....$3500 DAP is the strangest thing I've heard. 
I hope Onkyo guys are more reasonable. 

Onkyo is more rasonable than iriver for sure but $500? no way.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11913952
Post #12 of 16,199

audionewbi

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Jan 24, 2010
Messages
8,643
Reaction score
2,394
Joined
Jan 24, 2010
Posts
8,643
Likes
2,394
  When can we see this on Amazon?
Please do a bit of research, it is not even out yet buddy let alone available for purchase. 
 
And before you ask no one knows how it sounds compared to AK380 :D
 
     Share This Post       
post-11913979
Post #14 of 16,199

Hawaiibadboy

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Feb 2, 2014
Messages
9,326
Reaction score
10,475
Location
Hawaii/Japan/Your Head
Joined
Feb 2, 2014
Location
Hawaii/Japan/Your Head
Posts
9,326
Likes
10,475

Sexy mother ******. Damn....that big sexy screen is stealing via uber wild-fi... my cc pin # right through my PC monitor and I ain't even mad. That ain't my money...the thing on the desk is mine.....
 
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: cobrabucket
post-11914011
Post #15 of 16,199

audionewbi

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Jan 24, 2010
Messages
8,643
Reaction score
2,394
Joined
Jan 24, 2010
Posts
8,643
Likes
2,394
 
Sexy mother ******. Damn....that big sexy screen is stealing via uber wild-fi... my cc pin # right through my PC monitor and I ain't even mad. That ain't my money...the thing on the desk is mine.....
I got to say I look forward to this combo. And the good news is they have not yet finished tweaking the exterior. 
 
     Share This Post       

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 2)

Top