ONKYO DP-X1 | Dual Sabre Dacs | Balanced | Sabre BTL Amp | MQA | DSD 256 | Android 5 |
post-11914292
Post #16 of 16,198

jjacq

Playing Upgraditis Mania
Joined
Feb 24, 2012
Messages
1,121
Reaction score
286
Joined
Feb 24, 2012
Posts
1,121
Likes
286
Personally I wish this was smaller in form factor to make it more pocketable and optical as the means to do dac out, I'm just not a big fan of USB audio out because of the power draw of some dac amps out there. I wouldn't be using it much that way, mainly just a device to use to test gear at meets if possible. Other than that, it checks off many of the boxes I want from the 240 which I was gonna upgrade my 100ii to.

This is definitely catching my attention.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11914346
Post #17 of 16,198

audionewbi

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Jan 24, 2010
Messages
8,641
Reaction score
2,393
Joined
Jan 24, 2010
Posts
8,641
Likes
2,393
Personally I wish this was smaller in form factor to make it more pocketable and optical as the means to do dac out, I'm just not a big fan of USB audio out because of the power draw of some dac amps out there. I wouldn't be using it much that way, mainly just a device to use to test gear at meets if possible. Other than that, it checks off many of the boxes I want from the 240 which I was gonna upgrade my 100ii to.

This is definitely catching my attention.
Smaller normally means a compromise, at least till we can have the technology to not to. 
 
     Share This Post       
post-11914536
Post #18 of 16,198

T.R.A.N.C.E.

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Mar 24, 2010
Messages
3,182
Reaction score
1,036
Joined
Mar 24, 2010
Posts
3,182
Likes
1,036
DP-X1 is shaping up to be the dap for me honestly. I like the big screen, can fit 9-10 songs on the screen while browsing 
 Even though it increases the width and height of the dap it remains manageable, and importantly the depth remains thin, thinner than AK100ii for example which is 15mm compared to DP-X1 which is 12.8mm.
 
 DP-X1 has a clean symmetrical circuit design to a T, the only things on the analog board are dacs and amp chips in a symmetrical layout along with their isolated power supply.
 
An optical out would mean extra circuitry on the CPU board, (which looks packed as is) and it would require a SPDIF receiver chip along with it's circuitry implementation and another 3.5mm socket. So you get my point. Obviously dap makers want to pack as many features as possible into their dap, but PCB space is at a premium, not to mention the integrity of design is at risk the more you try to fit on the PCB.
 
The DP-X1's analog M.O. is simplicity where it is needed, the use of the Sabre Amps cut down on a lot of circuitry , shorten the signal path (a good thing for SQ), and happen to be designed from the ground up to be used with the ES9018K2M dacs, hopefully resulting in some top notch chemistry between them, then throw in the balanced topology from dacs through to amps and I'm hoping for some magic, fingers crossed.
 
The only things that remain unknown is output impedance and amp hiss (if any), If Onkyo nails these two things then the DP-X1 will be a game changer if priced right imo.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11914563
Post #19 of 16,198

audionewbi

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Jan 24, 2010
Messages
8,641
Reaction score
2,393
Joined
Jan 24, 2010
Posts
8,641
Likes
2,393
 
The DP-X1's analog M.O. is simplicity where it is needed, the use of the Sabre Amps cut down on a lot of circuitry and happen to be designed to be used with the ES9018K2M dacs, hopefully resulting in some top notch chemistry between them, then throw in the balanced topology from dacs through to amps and I'm hoping for some magic, fingers crossed.
 
 
I was in the market for the new AK IEM and the Esther M1 but I will remain idle till I see how the new Onkyo IEM and DAP flourishes. I am assuming the IEM is developed to offer top notch synergy with their DAP else it will be truly pointless.
 
The price of the IEM is already scared, 499 Euro, I have a band feeling on the price of the DP-X1. 
 
     Share This Post       
post-11914577
Post #20 of 16,198

T.R.A.N.C.E.

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Mar 24, 2010
Messages
3,182
Reaction score
1,036
Joined
Mar 24, 2010
Posts
3,182
Likes
1,036
  I am assuming the IEM is developed to offer top notch synergy with their DAP
 
Me too, and it is reassuring for me that Philips co-engineered the iem's, as they make some of my favorite headphones and iems, plus Philips and Onkyo are owned by the same parent company! so you can bet there was close-knit development between them.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11914589
Post #21 of 16,198

Hawaiibadboy

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Feb 2, 2014
Messages
9,326
Reaction score
10,472
Location
Hawaii/Japan/Your Head
Joined
Feb 2, 2014
Location
Hawaii/Japan/Your Head
Posts
9,326
Likes
10,472
 
DP-X1 is shaping up to be the dap for me honestly. I like the big screen, can fit 9-10 songs on the screen while browsing 
 Even though it increases the width and height of the dap it remains manageable, and importantly the depth remains thin, thinner than AK100ii for example which is 15mm compared to DP-X1 which is 12.8mm.
 
I don't really care that it doesn't have optical or line out, these things take up space on the circuit board and take away from a clean symmetrical circuit design which the DP-X1 has to a T, the only things on the analog board are dacs and amp chips along with their isolated power supply, a line out would mean extra circuitry in the way of these and another 3.5mm socket, all of which disrupt the symmetrical layout of the dac and amp implementation and output (in the DP-X1's case at any rate) .
 
An optical out would mean extra circuitry on the CPU board, but it looks pretty packed as is and it would require a SPDIF receiver chip along with it's circuitry implementation and another 3.5mm socket. So you get my point. Obviously dap makers want to pack as many features as possible into their dap, but PCB space is at a premium, not to mention the integrity of design is at risk the more convoluted the PCB is, so I like that the DP-X1 is a bare bones dap, albeit with dual dacs, balanced amps, mega nice UI and boat loads of processing power 
 Ok, so it isn't so barebones, but you get what I mean, Onkyo trimmed down the best places imo.
 
The DP-X1's analog M.O. is simplicity where it is needed, the use of the Sabre Amps cut down on a lot of circuitry, shorten the signal path, and happen to be designed to be used with the ES9018K2M dacs, hopefully resulting in some top notch chemistry between them, then throw in the balanced topology from dacs through to amps and I'm hoping for some magic, fingers crossed.
 
The only things that remain unknown is output impedance and amp hiss (if any), If Onkyo nails these two things then the DP-X1 will be a game changer if priced right imo.
 
 
 
If they are competing with A&K in price realm I don't think they change anything.
If they are trying to outdo the X7 and be within 200 bucks of it they change my wallet...and lots of other wallets

 

 
 
I have migrated to a Note 4 with external DAP and swore off the DAP and then ONKYO which I love aimes a torpedo at my wallet...which they will hit if they price right. If FiiO can offer what they will for what they do Onkyo should target their group and make it within range. ...and they will move units.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11914625
Post #23 of 16,198

Hawaiibadboy

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Feb 2, 2014
Messages
9,326
Reaction score
10,472
Location
Hawaii/Japan/Your Head
Joined
Feb 2, 2014
Location
Hawaii/Japan/Your Head
Posts
9,326
Likes
10,472
  Is there any difference between this ONKYO DP-X1 and the PIONEER XDP-100R?

Should be since the Pioneer is supposed to be the more affordable of the 2. Google and the sites here in Japan are posting specs. ..you shall find

 
     Share This Post       
post-11914687
Post #24 of 16,198

T.R.A.N.C.E.

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Mar 24, 2010
Messages
3,182
Reaction score
1,036
Joined
Mar 24, 2010
Posts
3,182
Likes
1,036
Is there any difference between this ONKYO DP-X1 and the PIONEER XDP-100R?
 
Read the first page of the thread, it's all explained.
 
If they are competing with A&K in price realm I don't think they change anything.
If they are trying to outdo the X7 and be within 200 bucks of it they change my wallet...and lots of other wallets
 
DP-X1 will essentially render the entire AK line up redundant imo. I've been waiting for this day to come 
 
 
If DP-X1 is priced competitively it will also render a whole lot of other value for money daps redundant, making it a game changer, and making Onkyo a lot of money, hopefully Onkyo understand this and go for the competitively priced route, otherwise people will flock to the value for money competitors such as X7.
 
I did have my eye on X7, but now DP-X1 has me changing gears, we are talking Japanese giants Onkyo and Pioneer 

 
DP-X1 and X7 will both have a very nice dac stage, it is actually arguable as to which is better between 1x 9018S and 2x 9018K2M (more channels/dnr vs separate power rails and inputs). I would be happy with either.
 
DP-X1 is balanced out of the box, while X7 will need you to drop an extra wad of cash on an amp module for balanced. I'm personally not a fan of the idea of multiple amp modules, because one amp if designed well, will be able to handle anything, from iem's to 300ohm headphones. It's certainly not easy to make a flawless amp in the constraints of a dap (nigh on impossible), it does need a high level of skill from the engineer, but it's doable, and is what dap manufacturers should be aiming for.
 
DP-X1 is 12.7mm thick while X7 is 16.5mm thick.
 
DP-X1 wins by a landslide on the digital front compared to X7 (and by extension all other daps available):
 X7DP-X1
UI/Features/UsabilityAndroid 4.xAndroid 5.1.1
Processing Power1.4ghz quad rockchip2.4ghz quad snapdragon
RAM1GB2GB
Micro SD slots12
Player and Digital OutDSD 128 DSD 256
BluetoothstandardAptX
Screen4" 233PPI4.7" 312PPI
Resolution800*4801280*720 (HD)
 
All that's left is for DP-X1 to be priced in the same ballpark as X7, and it will be a game changing dap that people will flock to.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11914850
Post #25 of 16,198

doublea71

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Dec 31, 2011
Messages
3,077
Reaction score
568
Joined
Dec 31, 2011
Posts
3,077
Likes
568
Looks like a shot across the bough of AK
 
     Share This Post       
post-11914868
Post #26 of 16,198

Hawaiibadboy

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Feb 2, 2014
Messages
9,326
Reaction score
10,472
Location
Hawaii/Japan/Your Head
Joined
Feb 2, 2014
Location
Hawaii/Japan/Your Head
Posts
9,326
Likes
10,472
   
Read the first page of the thread, it's all explained.
 
 
Yeah I had my eye on X7, but now DP-X1 has me way more interested than X7, we are talking Japanese giants Onkyo and Pioneer 

 
X7 will have a nice dac stage, as will DP-X1, it is actually arguable as to which is better between 1x 9018S and 2x 9018K2M (more channels/dnr vs separate power rails and inputs).
 
X7 amp stage will need you to drop an extra wad of cash on an amp module to go balanced, while DP-X1 is balanced out of the box. I'm personally not a fan of the idea of multiple amp modules, because one amp if designed well, will be able to handle anything, from iem's to 300ohm headphones. It's not easy to make a flawless amp in the constraints of a dap though (nigh on impossible), needs a high level of skill from the engineer.
 
X7 is 16.5mm thick while DP-X1 is 12.7mm thick.
 
DP-X1 wins by a landslide on the digital front:
 X7DP-X1
UI/Features/UsabilityAndroid 4.xAndroid 5.1.1
Processing Power1.4ghz quad rockchip2.4ghz quad snapdragon
Ram1gb2gb
Micro SD12
BluetoothstandardAptX
LCD Screen4" 233PPI4.7" 312PPI
Resolution800x4801280x720
Player and Digital OutPCM 192khz, DSD 128PCM 384khz, DSD 256
 
 
All that's left is for DP-X1 to be priced in the same ballpark, and it will be a game changing dap.
I think it is safe to say the DP-X1 will render the entire AK line up redundant, I've been waiting for this day to come 
 

 Oh I'm sold already. The ram and screen of the X7 already made me un sub from the thread.  I'm all over this thing.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11914944
Post #28 of 16,198

13-7

100+ Head-Fier
Joined
May 19, 2015
Messages
123
Reaction score
44
Joined
May 19, 2015
Posts
123
Likes
44
On paper, the DP-x1 looks like a potential X7 killer.

Finally some serious competition in the touchscreen DAP market.

Subbed.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11915153
Post #30 of 16,198

kawaivpc1

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Apr 9, 2014
Messages
1,716
Reaction score
89
Joined
Apr 9, 2014
Posts
1,716
Likes
89
The game of industry is really up to Onkyo and Pioneer now.
AK380 can't play DSD256 nor it has a quadcore snapdragon CPU (the same CPU of Samsung Note 4). 
AK380 and AK240 suffer from very short battery life (4 hours) but this new device doesn't (10 hours).
AK380 has only one microSD slot while this one has two. 
 
AK380 is 3,499 dollars (4,499 dollars include an amp)... if Onkyo and Pioneer guys decide around $500, the game is pretty much set. 
iRiver will never be able to put their feet in the market again for the next 10 years unless they refund all the money to their buyers and reduce their price. 
X7 will not be able to even compete with this spec... it will be just another Chinese device which people will not buy. 
 
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: GrigoryV

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 4)

Top