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ONKYO DP-X1 | Dual Sabre Dacs | Balanced | Sabre BTL Amp | MQA | DSD 256 | Android 5 |

Discussion in 'Portable Source Gear' started by t.r.a.n.c.e., Sep 11, 2015.
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  1. jjacq
    Personally I wish this was smaller in form factor to make it more pocketable and optical as the means to do dac out, I'm just not a big fan of USB audio out because of the power draw of some dac amps out there. I wouldn't be using it much that way, mainly just a device to use to test gear at meets if possible. Other than that, it checks off many of the boxes I want from the 240 which I was gonna upgrade my 100ii to.

    This is definitely catching my attention.
     
  2. audionewbi
    Smaller normally means a compromise, at least till we can have the technology to not to. 
     
  3. T.R.A.N.C.E.
    DP-X1 is shaping up to be the dap for me honestly. I like the big screen, can fit 9-10 songs on the screen while browsing [​IMG] Even though it increases the width and height of the dap it remains manageable, and importantly the depth remains thin, thinner than AK100ii for example which is 15mm compared to DP-X1 which is 12.8mm.
     
     DP-X1 has a clean symmetrical circuit design to a T, the only things on the analog board are dacs and amp chips in a symmetrical layout along with their isolated power supply.
     
    An optical out would mean extra circuitry on the CPU board, (which looks packed as is) and it would require a SPDIF receiver chip along with it's circuitry implementation and another 3.5mm socket. So you get my point. Obviously dap makers want to pack as many features as possible into their dap, but PCB space is at a premium, not to mention the integrity of design is at risk the more you try to fit on the PCB.
     
    The DP-X1's analog M.O. is simplicity where it is needed, the use of the Sabre Amps cut down on a lot of circuitry , shorten the signal path (a good thing for SQ), and happen to be designed from the ground up to be used with the ES9018K2M dacs, hopefully resulting in some top notch chemistry between them, then throw in the balanced topology from dacs through to amps and I'm hoping for some magic, fingers crossed.
     
    The only things that remain unknown is output impedance and amp hiss (if any), If Onkyo nails these two things then the DP-X1 will be a game changer if priced right imo.
     
  4. audionewbi
    I was in the market for the new AK IEM and the Esther M1 but I will remain idle till I see how the new Onkyo IEM and DAP flourishes. I am assuming the IEM is developed to offer top notch synergy with their DAP else it will be truly pointless.
     
    The price of the IEM is already scared, 499 Euro, I have a band feeling on the price of the DP-X1. 
     
  5. T.R.A.N.C.E.
     
    Me too, and it is reassuring for me that Philips co-engineered the iem's, as they make some of my favorite headphones and iems, plus Philips and Onkyo are owned by the same parent company! so you can bet there was close-knit development between them.
     
  6. Hawaiibadboy Contributor
     
     
    If they are competing with A&K in price realm I don't think they change anything.
    If they are trying to outdo the X7 and be within 200 bucks of it they change my wallet...and lots of other wallets
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    I have migrated to a Note 4 with external DAP and swore off the DAP and then ONKYO which I love aimes a torpedo at my wallet...which they will hit if they price right. If FiiO can offer what they will for what they do Onkyo should target their group and make it within range. ...and they will move units.
     
  7. kazuhikoaikawa
    Is there any difference between this ONKYO DP-X1 and the PIONEER XDP-100R?
     
  8. Hawaiibadboy Contributor

    Should be since the Pioneer is supposed to be the more affordable of the 2. Google and the sites here in Japan are posting specs. ..you shall find[​IMG]
     
  9. T.R.A.N.C.E.
     
    Read the first page of the thread, it's all explained.
     
     
    DP-X1 will essentially render the entire AK line up redundant imo. I've been waiting for this day to come [​IMG] 
     
    If DP-X1 is priced competitively it will also render a whole lot of other value for money daps redundant, making it a game changer, and making Onkyo a lot of money, hopefully Onkyo understand this and go for the competitively priced route, otherwise people will flock to the value for money competitors such as X7.
     
    I did have my eye on X7, but now DP-X1 has me changing gears, we are talking Japanese giants Onkyo and Pioneer [​IMG]
     
    DP-X1 and X7 will both have a very nice dac stage, it is actually arguable as to which is better between 1x 9018S and 2x 9018K2M (more channels/dnr vs separate power rails and inputs). I would be happy with either.
     
    DP-X1 is balanced out of the box, while X7 will need you to drop an extra wad of cash on an amp module for balanced. I'm personally not a fan of the idea of multiple amp modules, because one amp if designed well, will be able to handle anything, from iem's to 300ohm headphones. It's certainly not easy to make a flawless amp in the constraints of a dap (nigh on impossible), it does need a high level of skill from the engineer, but it's doable, and is what dap manufacturers should be aiming for.
     
    DP-X1 is 12.7mm thick while X7 is 16.5mm thick.
     
    DP-X1 wins by a landslide on the digital front compared to X7 (and by extension all other daps available):
     X7DP-X1
    UI/Features/UsabilityAndroid 4.xAndroid 5.1.1
    Processing Power1.4ghz quad rockchip2.4ghz quad snapdragon
    RAM1GB2GB
    Micro SD slots12
    Player and Digital OutDSD 128 DSD 256
    BluetoothstandardAptX
    Screen4" 233PPI4.7" 312PPI
    Resolution800*4801280*720 (HD)

     
    All that's left is for DP-X1 to be priced in the same ballpark as X7, and it will be a game changing dap that people will flock to.
     
  10. doublea71
    Looks like a shot across the bough of AK
     
    Dopaminer and Edric Li like this.
  11. Hawaiibadboy Contributor

     Oh I'm sold already. The ram and screen of the X7 already made me un sub from the thread.  I'm all over this thing.
     
  12. Ritvik
    Subbed.
     
  13. 13-7
    On paper, the DP-x1 looks like a potential X7 killer.

    Finally some serious competition in the touchscreen DAP market.

    Subbed.
     
  14. kazuhikoaikawa
    Thanks.[​IMG]
     
  15. kawaivpc1
    The game of industry is really up to Onkyo and Pioneer now.
    AK380 can't play DSD256 nor it has a quadcore snapdragon CPU (the same CPU of Samsung Note 4). 
    AK380 and AK240 suffer from very short battery life (4 hours) but this new device doesn't (10 hours).
    AK380 has only one microSD slot while this one has two. 
     
    AK380 is 3,499 dollars (4,499 dollars include an amp)... if Onkyo and Pioneer guys decide around $500, the game is pretty much set. 
    iRiver will never be able to put their feet in the market again for the next 10 years unless they refund all the money to their buyers and reduce their price. 
    X7 will not be able to even compete with this spec... it will be just another Chinese device which people will not buy. 
     
    GrigoryV likes this.
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