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[Hawaiibadboy]

FWIW
I think the Pioneer is more the FiiO rival anyway
 

 
mmmmm sexy!!!!

 
 

Big n sexy. Might have to get the Pioneer and suffer..

 

 

[Sound Eq]

the question is would 3rd party apps still give hi-rez quality or only the stock player

my fav player on android is neutron with its true 10 parametric eq

i am glad i waited to see this release as i was about to buy the zx2 or cowon p1

i just hope the onkyo can drive any iem and that no amp is needed

and it would be perfect if the onkyo would also drive my lcd2 that is maybe wishful thinking though

 

[T.R.A.N.C.E.]

Fiio's firmware is completely garbage compared to Android lollipop OS and quadcore snapdragon CPU.
If Fiio guys charge more than $300 for X7 when Pioneer XDP R100 is $499, you have to sue them immediately.
No matter what Fiio guys try with their OS, it won't beat the original Android 5 OS and snapdragon CPU with 10 hour battery life touch screen.
Not even AK devices can beat this.

wow your comment is super cancerous. Your bashing doesn't even have solid grounds. 

 
The way I see it is XDP-100 will be close to X7 in price, around $6-700. Yet the XDP-100 will have newest android 5 versus older version of android on X7 that is not even proper android as there is no access to app store and no customizability. XDP-100 has twice as good CPU, and twice as much RAM, together with newest android you can essentially expect XDP-100 to be twice as smooth and twice as fast as X7, and far more versatile in feature/function and UI due to open android and apps, example 11 band EQ and Upsampling. XDP-100 has 18% bigger screen, that is also 34% sharper, and dual micro SD. Fiio has the desktop version of the dac (but I don't put much importance on dac choice, read previous pages), imo the only drawcard for X7 is that it will have a more powerful amp. X7 is 23% thicker than XDP-100, and also 78% uglier.
 
Those issues aside, we still don't know which dap will have better SQ in general. All I know is I did not like X5ii, and X7ii will be using the same digital audio processing as X5ii and X3ii, which is using the SA2000 fpga chip to feed I2S signal to the dac, so you can expect the same house sound on the digital front from X7, X5ii, X3ii, the dac will just add it's own flavor on top of the digital audio processing. But the digital audio processing is far more important than the dac chip, it is the foundation of the implementation and influences the sound an order of magnitude more than the dac chip.
 

Lotoo did it.
Here is a brief technical comparison I did between AK380 and Lotoo Paw Gold:

S/N:                              116dB vs 120dB​

Dynamic Range:          unknown vs 121dB​

 
Doesn't matter anyway. I was looking at 16/44 results. Any dap tested with a 16/44 file can only reach DNR of ~97dB. Only with Hi-Res music can dap reach ~120dB DNR, and as I said before, all the top dac chips have at least 120dB DNR, meaning dac choice doesn't play a part in SQ, only implementation does. But imo the dac implementation isn't the hardest part to get right, the hardest part to get right in a dap is the digital audio processing and the amp stage, so we shouldn't focus so much on the dac stage, especially when most of us listen to 16/44 and aren't even utilizing the headroom of these dacs.
 
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[Sound Eq]

i hope that the release of the onkyo will not be delayed more than november as another user said

 

[kawaivpc1]

The way I see it is XDP-100 will be close to X7 in price, around $6-700. Yet the XDP-100 will have newest android 5 versus older version of android on X7 that is not even proper android as there is no access to app store and no customizability. XDP-100 has twice as good CPU, and twice as much RAM, together with newest android you can essentially expect XDP-100 to be twice as smooth and twice as fast as X7, and far more versatile in feature/function and UI due to open android and apps, example 11 band EQ and Upsampling. XDP-100 has 18% bigger screen, that is also 34% sharper, and dual micro SD. Fiio has the desktop version of the dac (but I don't put much importance on dac choice, read previous pages), imo the only drawcard for X7 is that it will have a more powerful amp. X7 is 23% thicker than XDP-100, and also 78% uglier.

Those issues aside, we still don't know which dap will have better SQ in general. All I know is I did not like X5ii, and X7ii will be using the same digital audio processing as X5ii and X3ii, which is using the SA2000 fpga chip to feed I2S signal to the dac, so you can expect the same house sound on the digital front from X7/5ii/3ii, the dac will just add it's own flavor on top of the digital audio processing. The digital audio processing is far more important than the dac chip, it is the foundation of the implementation and influences the sound an order of magnitude more than the dac chip.


Doesn't matter anyway. I was looking at 16/44 results. Any dap tested with a 16/44 file can only reach DNR of ~97dB. Only with Hi-Res music can dap reach ~120dB DNR, and as I said before, all the top dac chips have at least 120dB DNR, meaning dac choice doesn't play a part in SQ, only implementation does. But imo the dac implementation isn't the hardest part to get right, the hardest part to get right in a dap is the digital audio processing and the amp stage, so we shouldn't focus so much on the dac stage, especially when most of us listen to 16/44 and aren't even utilizing the headroom of the dac.

This is what I was trying to say.
They're offering so much better device for the same or less price.
In that price range, you will not find a better device.
Its specification is close to that of Samsung Note 4 which is also $699. It means Pioneer guys are charging a fair amount while other companies such as Fiio are busy charging more money on worse and cheaper CPU, RAM, OS, sound quality.
It turns out that a DAP can get similar spec in the same price range as a smartphone.
Fiio guys should charge $300 for X7.

 

[velvetx]

the question is would 3rd party apps still give hi-rez quality or only the stock player

my fav player on android is neutron with its true 10 parametric eq

i am glad i waited to see this release as i was about to buy the zx2 or cowon p1

i just hope the onkyo can drive any iem and that no amp is needed

and it would be perfect if the onkyo would also drive my lcd2 that is maybe wishful thinking though

 
DBpoweramp

 

[Vignelli]

the question is would 3rd party apps still give hi-rez quality or only the stock player

my fav player on android is neutron with its true 10 parametric eq

i am glad i waited to see this release as i was about to buy the zx2 or cowon p1

i just hope the onkyo can drive any iem and that no amp is needed

and it would be perfect if the onkyo would also drive my lcd2 that is maybe wishful thinking though

onkyo have their own apps which can play highres music flawlesly
why using another apps??..
are you you asking about tidal,spotify,and another streaming player maybe?? 

 

[Sound Eq]

  onkyo have their own apps which can play highres music flawlesly
why using another apps??..
are you you asking about tidal,spotify,and another streaming player maybe?? 

its says there will be 11 parametric eq, thats great to me especially i prefer parametric much better than graphic eq

 

[acrox999]

http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2015/09/onkyo-pioneer-announce-mqa-equipped-xdp-100r-dap/

$770 for the Pioneer version? Looks like my dreams have been crushed.

 

[velvetx]

This is what I was trying to say.
They're offering so much better device for the same or less price.
In that price range, you will not find a better device.
Its specification is close to that of Samsung Note 4 which is also $699. It means Pioneer guys are charging a fair amount while other companies such as Fiio are busy charging more money on worse and cheaper CPU, RAM, OS, sound quality.
It turns out that a DAP can get similar spec in the same price range as a smartphone.
Fiio guys should charge $300 for X7.

 
Once again you are talking about sound quality when you have heard neither device...  
 
Turns out it is actually more expensive for the Pioneer device at an estimated $770 USD per the article below.  Which means if the price of the Onkyo is supposed to be more than $770 USD is your baseline.
 
http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2015/09/onkyo-pioneer-announce-mqa-equipped-xdp-100r-dap/
 
For you to say that Fiio should charge $300 for the X7 dude seriously the X5II is $349?  
 
Anyway unsubbing there is now just too much either trolling or just uninformed head-fiers on this post for me to continue listening and responding.  Slamming other products in a thread on a device that hasn't even come out then criticizing other companies for pricing, specs, etc. is just pointless yet I see this all the time.  Why?  Why can't it just be a grats Onkyo and Pioneer for adding something new to the DAP field or I can't wait to listen to this player?

 

[Cagin]

  For you to say that Fiio should charge $300 for the X7 dude seriously the X5II is $349?  
 
Anyway unsubbing there is now just too much either trolling or just uninformed head-fiers on this post for me to continue listening and responding.  Slamming other products in a thread on a device that hasn't even come out then criticizing other companies for pricing, specs, etc. is just pointless yet I see this all the time.  Why?  Why can't it just be a grats Onkyo and Pioneer for adding something new to the DAP field or I can't wait to listen to this player?

You're overreacting, he was the only one bashing Fiio. And you could've just clicked under his name and block him to avoid seeing things that hurt you.

 

[Libertad]

My urge-my will to find truth to this players potential and sound quality will trump any hater or troll no matter how crazy there antics get period! Why should you let others deter you from what you want to find out for yourself? There opinions should have zero bearing on your decision to find out more like the others on this thread are doing as i type this. Don't give in to of all things typed words on your monitor from people who most of all you've never met for a product that no one has ever heard. The ridiculousness of what Ive just pointed out to you should be truth enough to stay subbed 

 

 

[Sound Eq]

lets cool down
 
time will tell all
 
i am so eager to buy the onkyo

 

[Cagin]

  lets cool down
 
time will tell all
 
i am so eager to buy the onkyo

We need to find an Onkyo dealer in Turkey mate ^^
[size=xx-small]Worried I'd have to apply for Tenso JP membership again hah[/size]
 
edit1: oops nvm, found a distributor   
Turkey
Ertekin Elk. TIC. SAN. A. S. 
Kagithane Ofis Park Baglar Cad.
34406 Istanbul
Tel: +90 (212) 3122424
Fax: +90 (212) 2493512
yurder@ertekin.com.tr
 
source: http://www.eu.onkyo.com/en/distributors-41517.html
 
 



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
edit2: Haha I remembered now I had stumbled into an Onkyo shop here in Istanbul 2 weeks ago. But it was only for room hi-fi. The photo here reminded me of it. 

​ http://www.yelp.com/biz/onkyo-istanbul

 

[T.R.A.N.C.E.]

$770 for the Pioneer version? Looks like my dreams have been crushed.

 
No it's not, only the UK price has been confirmed as 499 Pounds, (which converts to $770), but the international pricing has not been released. UK sometimes get shafted on pricing and tax, so there is a good chance it will be cheaper than $770 for the rest of the world.
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