[mrhizzo]

The K10U have a more fun sound, or V-shaped (what you prefer )? Or the Noble 6 is better in this way?

I like to listen dance and house music with vocal, principally female vocal. I listen to pop and classical music too. But the two first are the focus.

I think I like the bass 50%.

Now I use one Westone W60 and I had Phonak Audéo 232, Shure SE846 and many others. These are the earphones I loved more.
I almost decided to go with K10U, but I am still not sure.

 

[anil]

It is normal for head position to influence the acoustic seal to some degree, but as to what the position is that produces the best seal or worst seal is pretty much unique to each individual

 
Following up on this slightly old post as I've been wondering about the amount of isolation I should be expecting with my K10s.  I'm finding that they have less isolation than the Etymotic ER4Ps that I was previously using (but much more comfortable and fuller sounding than the Etys of course).  Based on what Watagump stated earlier, I wonder if I'm not getting the expected isolation?  I really love the K10s, but they unfortunately are not great when I wear them during my walk to and from work every day (on a fairly noisy road with the occasional subway train passing by, which is when I really could use the isolation).  The isolation improves noticeably when I press and hold them slightly.
 
Any thoughts?
 
Anil
 
PS:  BTW, When I first got the IEMs, I had a slight fit issue with the right ear and the Noble team was super responsive and helpful in walking through the issue and making a slight modification to better fit my very likely asymmetric ear lobes. I've been using them for the past few months and love them (except for the lack of isolation, which I couldn't tell was expected or not).

 

[FullCircle]

 
 
 
 
 
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Following up on this slightly old post as I've been wondering about the amount of isolation I should be expecting with my K10s.  I'm finding that they have much less isolation than the Etymotic ER4Ps that I was previously using (but much more comfortable and fuller sounding than the Etys of course).  Based on what Watagump stated earlier, it sounds like I'm not getting the expected isolation?  I really love the K10s, but they unfortunately are not great when I wear them during my walk to and from work every day (which is when I really could use the isolation).  The isolation improves noticeably when I press and hold them slightly (I do this every once in a while when it gets especially loud on the road).
 
Any thoughts?
 
Anil
 
PS:  BTW, When I first got the IEMs, I had a slight fit issue with the right ear and the Noble team was super responsive and helpful in walking through the issue and making a slight modification to better fit my very likely asymmetric ear lobes. I've been using them for the past few months and love them (except for the lack of isolation, which I couldn't tell was expected or not).

 
 
There isn't much out there, if not anything that can provide the isolation that the ER4 does. (in fact the tripple flange ear tip s patented as well) 
 
Further more, acrylic customs do not isolate as well as silicone/rubber ear tips
 
 
 

 

[FullCircle]

The K10U have a more fun sound, or V-shaped (what you prefer

)? Or the Noble 6 is better in this way?

I like to listen dance and house music with vocal, principally female vocal. I listen to pop and classical music too. But the two first are the focus.

I think I like the bass 50%.

Now I use one Westone W60 and I had Phonak Audéo 232, Shure SE846 and many others. These are the earphones I loved more.
I almost decided to go with K10U, but I am still not sure.

 
 
 
The Noble K10 is less genre specific.  You can use it for essentially anything and it plays at fantastic levels. From everything like female vocals, acoustic guitar to the hard drops of Skrillex the K10 does it all.
 
The N6 more genre specific, a good product, but it isn't a K10 level product.
 
 

 

[anil]

   
 
There isn't much out there, if not anything that can provide the isolation that the ER4 does. (in fact the tripple flange ear tip s patented as well) 
 
Further more, acrylic customs do not isolate as well as silicone/rubber ear tips
 
 
 

 
Cool, thanks for the quick response.  I just wanted to make sure I was not missing something

 

[Watagump]

IMHO, the K10 shines with Jazz.

 

[mrhizzo]

The Noble K10 is less genre specific.  You can use it for essentially anything and it plays at fantastic levels. From everything like female vocals, acoustic guitar to the hard drops of Skrillex the K10 does it all.

The N6 more genre specific, a good product, but it isn't a K10 level product.

Thank you. I will buy the K10U.

 

[vhsownsbeta]

Wow, very happy with Savant. For me it seems to sit in between N4 and K10 (maybe a little bit closer to the kaiser), which is pretty much what I had hoped it would be. For me it strikes an almost a perfect balance between neutrality and musicality. I don't think 'Baby K10' does it justice though. Maybe 'Diet K10'? A little less syrupy mouthfeel but the same amount of caffeine...
 
What manner of witchcraft is this? The pricing seems wrong, it could be higher...

 

[FullCircle]

  Wow, very happy with Savant. For me it seems to sit in between N4 and K10 (maybe a little bit closer to the kaiser), which is pretty much what I had hoped it would be. For me it strikes an almost a perfect balance between neutrality and musicality. I don't think 'Baby K10' does it justice though. Maybe 'Diet K10'? A little less syrupy mouthfeel but the same amount of caffeine...
 
What manner of witchcraft is this? The pricing seems wrong, it could be higher...

 
 
Yes, it has been stated that it is underpriced

 

[vhsownsbeta]

   
 
Yes, it has been stated that it is underpriced

What I meant to convey is, it is amazing that you can offer this much performance at this price point...
 

 

[ToPaLi]

Ordered the savant yesterday but asked a friend to order it for me so my wife doesn't find out...I kinda feel like i'm in a spy movie or something

 

[shigzeo]

Don't get too involved in the spy person thingy. But I'm excited to hear what you think of the Savant.

 

[warrenpchi]

 

I like a nice clean neutral/natural sound.  If it's in the recording, I want hear it but I don't want a lot (really any) coloring of the sound or added effects.  I like to feel like I'm in the studio.

Consider the N4/4c, Savant, or K10

My pick would be the Savant, to match your audio preference

 
@yancem, I would concur with John.  The Savant should be the one you are looking at.  The 4C comes second.  The 4 comes third.
 

 

Is the Savant eventually going to be offered as a non-prestige custom? And how many drivers is the Savant, I don't see that listed in the description?

Currently the savant is only offered in the prestige and universal format , at this point in time there is no plan to offer it in a standard ciem format.

 
Lol, I asked this as well... and was given the same answer... which makes me a little sad
 

  There are currently three reviews covering the savant posted by head fi members, and a review by c net as well

 

Ahem, I believe there is an entry in the Head-Fi Gift Guide as well?  

 

  When reading about the Savant, it's often described as very clean, balanced, and detailed. The descriptions of the savant seem to remind me of the HD800. Has anyone had the chance to listen to both and compare?

 
The Savant doesn't have that massively expansive soundstage that the HD 800 has.  It's also an IEM, as opposed to a full-sized headphone.  And it's easier to drive.
 

 

  When reading about the Savant, it's often described as very clean, balanced, and detailed. The descriptions of the savant seem to remind me of the HD800. Has anyone had the chance to listen to both and compare?

I have a Savant, K10 and 4C.  I would say the 4C is closer to the HD800 than the other two, just without the massive soundstage. 

 
Hmm... I don't have a 4C so I'll take your word for that.  I definitely think that the Savant is closer to the HD 800 than a 4U.
 

  Wow, very happy with Savant. 

 
Right?  

  
 

  Yes, it has been stated that it is underpriced

 
And don't you go thinking that you need to address that issue y'hear?  

 

[warrenpchi]

  Hey guys I'm interested in either the Savant or the K10's but need some help with my direction. How does it compare to say the Layla's? I now have the Roxannes but I think the Layla's are the best I heard so far (no I did not hear the Savant or the K10) so the Savant interest me as it seems similar......-ish to me

 
Well... that's a little bit of a loaded question given the Layla's adjustable bass profile.  I'll speak from my personal preference, which is to dial-in the Layla's bass around 9:30.  Let's start with the K10.
 
First of all, I agree with you that the Layla is the best IEM I've heard so far.  In terms of overall balance in FR, coherency, staging, spatial imaging, it is fantastically good.  I find it to be much better than the Roxanne, which I find too warm (and a little stifling) under the best of circumstances.  I would recommend the Layla easily, while I would not recommend the Roxanne at all.
 
If someone wants more warmth and the musicality than the Layla, I would refer them to the K10, but not the Roxanne.  The K10, while being on the warmer side, still retains excellent detail.  The K10 also scales very, very well with amps.  I'm running it with the Cavalli portable prototype, and it is fantastically good as part of that rig.  BTW, here's a recommendation for all K10 owners:  try it with the Cavalli portable when it comes out, you can thank me later.  Now, IMO, the thing that makes the K10 truly special is how it handles upper mids and highs.  It's an undocumented feature, but there are tiny unicorn horns in the K10 through which the upper frequencies flow.  As a result, the K10 automagically takes upper mids and highs right to the limit of energy and detail, without letting them get harsh or strident.  It's like it knows each track, and acts as an automatic anti-stridency filter.  Okay, I'm on a tangent here.  Basically, to answer your question, the K10 is between the Roxanne and Layla, but much closer to the Layla.
 
The Savant is very different from all of the above.  If it weren't for the fact that the bass response is effing fantastic (fast, impactful, just warm enough to not be "technically-proficient" bass), one might call the Savant a little clinical... especially those with treble sensitivity.  Now, what makes the Savant special is how clean it is.  If it were at all dirty or distortion-laden from the mids on up, it would be a hot mess given how much energy is being output there.  But because it's so clean, it winds up sounding majestic and angelic.  Notes ring true, percussion is stunningly realistic in shimmer and decay, and it's oh so open and airy up top.  Basically, the Savant is so clear that you can hear your own thoughts.
 
It's hard to say which is better because I don't know how you feel about the Roxanne.  But if I had to guess, based on what you've said so far, I think you'll need to A/B the K10 and Layla to see which you like better.

 

[XELLENCE]

Ordered the savant yesterday but asked a friend to order it for me so my wife doesn't find out...I kinda feel like i'm in a spy movie or something

I just did the same thing couple of days ago, got my Savant yesterday and thank god for making the right choice.