[FullCircle]

Sure replaceable battery would be a good thing but it won't happen before the big companies are forced to do it.

Considering how fast new chip sets are produced.....

Might be like installing an ashtray on a motorcycle.

 

[superpete93]

Does the Fokus Prestige have replaceable batteries? After 2 years my Sony XM4 is barely able to get through one single 45 minute album while it was 6-7 albums during the first year. Don't want to step into the same trap again. Simply too expensive that way.

Sounds like Sony uses poor quality batteries. For example, I have a pair of 1st gen Airpods from Apple that still have nearly the same battery life as the day I purchased them about 4-5 years ago and I probably use them 2-4+ hours a day everyday to listen to audio books while commuting, training or doing chores. I could care less if the batteries are replaceable as long as they last a reasonable amount of time (2-4 years?) without degrading.

To be fair most wireless earbuds/CIEM's, etc. are so compactly built that providing a replaceable battery option would likely create other impacts that would then result in a new line of complaints (ergonomics, cost of the batteries, ease of battery swap, etc.) and could result in reliability issues as well.

Besides, even $500 for a pair of TOTL wireless IEMs doesn't sound unreasonable when many on these forums will shell out $3000+ for wired TOTL IEMs and the same again for a TOTL cable only to resell them at a $1-2000 loss to fund the next purchase a year of so later.

 

[FullCircle]

Sounds like Sony uses poor quality batteries. For example, I have a pair of 1st gen Airpods from Apple that still have nearly the same battery life as the day I purchased them about 4-5 years ago and I probably use them 2-4+ hours a day everyday to listen to audio books while commuting, training or doing chores. I could care less if the batteries are replaceable as long as they last a reasonable amount of time (2-4 years?) without degrading.

To be fair most wireless earbuds/CIEM's, etc. are so compactly built that providing a replaceable battery option would likely create other impacts that would then result in a new line of complaints (ergonomics, cost of the batteries, ease of battery swap, etc.) and could result in reliability issues as well.

Besides, even $500 for a pair of TOTL wireless IEMs doesn't sound unreasonable when many on these forums will shell out $3000+ for wired TOTL IEMs and the same again for a TOTL cable only to resell them at a $1-2000 loss to fund the next purchase a year of so later.

Some tws products are built by the tune of 50k a month. They then are shipped to warehouses, stored & then shipped out to perspective stores, where they sit again. The point is, they can have a lot of shelf time, before they ever get any ear time.

 

[drftr]

Some tws products are built by the tune of 50k a month. They then are shipped to warehouses, stored & then shipped out to perspective stores, where they sit again. The point is, they can have a lot of shelf time, before they ever get any ear time.

Is that a real issue, John? Do batteries age when not in use? Like, do they throw away shiploads of unused batteries in for instance a supermarket?

BTW: Is the birthday cake flown in already?

drftr

 

[FullCircle]

Is that a real issue, John? Do batteries age when not in use? Like, do they throw away shiploads of unused batteries in for instance a supermarket?

BTW: Is the birthday cake flown in already?

drftr

I have a dac that sat for too long, never been used - won't take a charge

Yes, batteries have a limited life

 

[superpete93]

Yes, batteries have a limited life

Li-ion batteries can last a long time but they need to have a minimal charge and should never be allowed to discharge. Charging and discharging is a chemical process. Once they get below about 2V per cell, copper shunts can form inside the cells. These copper shunts increase the rate of discharge which further degrades the battery. If left in this state long enough a battery will lose its ability to hold a charge at all. Storage a higher temps will also make the problem worse. For best battery life you should keep a regular charge in all your Li-ion batteries. For most devices you can fully charge it once every 2-6 months depending on age.

 

[FullCircle]

Li-ion batteries can last a long time but they need to have a minimal charge and should never be allowed to discharge. Charging and discharging is a chemical process. Once they get below about 2V per cell, copper shunts can form inside the cells. These copper shunts increase the rate of discharge which further degrades the battery. If left in this state long enough a battery will lose its ability to hold a charge at all. Storage a higher temps will also make the problem worse. For best battery life you should keep a regular charge in all your Li-ion batteries. For most devices you can fully charge it once every 2-6 months depending on age.

The scenario that happened to me, I bought a pair of DACs, one for my brother, & one for me. He started to use his immediately, while mine sat in America, in a box. It probably sat for 2 years. When I finally was able to get it, it would not turn on, and would not take a charge. My brother's dac is still going just fine.

I suspect if I could have the battery replaced, all would be fine.

 

[drftr]

I suspect if I could have the battery replaced, all would be fine.

Well... I guess now not only you but also the thread is FullCircle as that was my exact point 2 pages ago

drftr

 

[FullCircle]

Well... I guess now not only you but also the thread is FullCircle as that was my exact point 2 pages ago

drftr

Well if I did get the battery replaced, it would be from a 3rd party & I'm not sure if a cell phone repair shop would dare touch it. The product was fine all along, it failed due to my actions, not because it was poorly designed. I haven't bothered to pursue repairing it as the tech is old / obsolete and is no longer made.

I'm not even sure if the brand is still functional at this point in time. I bought it more out of nostalgia, as I heard that they were going through some economic troubles. The first dap I ever owned, was made by this particular brand & my brother gave it to me to begin with. (Which is why I bought him one as well kinda, of a last "horay" before they closed)

 

[drftr]

Well if I did get the battery replaced, it would be from a 3rd party & I'm not sure if a cell phone repair shop would dare touch it. The product was fine all along, it failed due to my actions, not because it was poorly designed. I haven't bothered to pursue repairing it as the tech is old / obsolete and is no longer made.

I'm not even sure if the brand is still functional at this point in time. I bought it more out of nostalgia, as I heard that they were going through some economic troubles. The first dap I ever owned, was made by this particular brand & my brother gave it to me to begin with. (Which is why I bought him one as well kinda, of a last "horay" before they closed)

Maybe put it up on the Classifieds? There's some very handy people on these pages. Won't make you rich, but if you don't need the device then it may still make for a very nice and affordable entry into higher end audio for others once they have repaired it.

drftr

 

[SynaestheticA]

Storage a higher temps will also make the problem worse. For best battery life you should keep

.....your DAPs and tws in a fridge

Is how that sentence should have ended

 

[superpete93]

.....your DAPs and tws in a fridge

Is how that sentence should have ended

50-70 degrees is ideal from what I've read in the past, would not recommend a fridge due to condensation issues

 

[Dvl Kubo]

I bought both fokus pro and the mystique happliy loving them and will until the next replacement comes out. And for the record I live in Japan and both of these models did sell out on release and no could buy until the next shipment arrived. There is a market for this especially in Asia so saying no repeat customers with out knowing the market is kinda stupid considering all how many headphones shows we have in across the country in Japan. Granted yes I would love replaceable batteries so I can keep enjoying the sound that comes out of these but hey maybe a updated version with the same sound will replace the lower end models who knows. But fact of the matter is the took a gamble it paid off in the 1st round and now we can enjoy great quality sound even in the tws realm. Noble may not be for everyone, but there are people who love and enjoy the sound we hear that Mr. Wizard manages to emulate.

 

[FullCircle]

I bought both fokus pro and the mystique happliy loving them and will until the next replacement comes out. And for the record I live in Japan and both of these models did sell out on release and no could buy until the next shipment arrived. There is a market for this especially in Asia so saying no repeat customers with out knowing the market is kinda stupid considering all how many headphones shows we have in across the country in Japan. Granted yes I would love replaceable batteries so I can keep enjoying the sound that comes out of these but hey maybe a updated version with the same sound will replace the lower end models who knows. But fact of the matter is the took a gamble it paid off in the 1st round and now we can enjoy great quality sound even in the tws realm. Noble may not be for everyone, but there are people who love and enjoy the sound we hear that Mr. Wizard manages to emulate.

See you in December

 

[karloil]

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