AHorseNamedJeff
Headphoneus Supremus
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The Modi would be a good DAC choice for the Vali right? I'm planning on getting a Modi-PYST-Vali setup as soon as orders for the Vali start.
The Modi would be a good DAC choice for the Vali right? I'm planning on getting a Modi-PYST-Vali setup as soon as orders for the Vali start.
ODAC is my fave dac so far. More than my NFB5's wolfson dac, the Compass 2's Sabre ES9018, the Modi, Marantz, etc.
It sounded more dimensional and realistic to me. Though I must say, to me, all DACs I have used all sounded basically the same, except the E7 which was definitely on the warm, less detailed side.
It seems that at the price point and a large dash of hype, most people are willing to give this amp a shot. Hmmm...
You seem to be shifting the argument. Your argument was that these tubes would keeping vibrating for minutes on end. I responded with evidence contrary to that.
In regards to your "number of samples" counterargument: In my experience, the microphonics of a tube, while they may vary with each individual tube, are the pretty much the same among each model (with the same plate structure.) For example, the KR PX4 I mentioned before is a highly microphonic tube. You tap on the glass, you are going to hear that! The EML 45 mesh is amazingly resilient and non-microphonic. I haven't heard KR PX4s which were less microphonic than others, nor EML 45 meshes which were microphonic, unless they were defective. To my knowledge, Raytheon hasn't made versions of the CV6088 with differing plate structures.
The ringing (sort of like a the ringing of bell which then decays over time) usually happens upon two scenarios: when flipping the on/off switch; and when plugging in headphones. Both of these actions physically shock the tubes more than any other action - it's the shock of the switch snapping from one position to another, and the phono jack snapping into the contacts. After this, it's extremely difficult to get the tubes to ring or even present deleterious effects for any extended (a few seconds) period of time. I could tap on the chassis, jump up and down on the floor (the kids do that for me in the house), smack on my desk, etc. Is it more sensitive than most other tube amps I've dealt with? Yes? Is it something I can live with? Absolutely for $119. Should the Vali be used as DJ's headamp at a nightclub? Probably not.
While I have been enamored with the sound quality of the Vali, I've also been extremely forthright of its negatives: tube microphonics, 8 ohm output impedance (soft bass, not the best control), and noise floor (not good with IEMs, Grados, AT, etc.).
Finally, I don't really know exactly what you are getting at concerning your own aborted or failed forays into sub-miniature tube DIY amps. As an MOT, you should at least have the grace to give Schiit, another MOT, the benefit of the doubt that they know what they are doing, considering that you don't even have the amp in your hands.
No, I'm not shifting the argument. Your assessment of tube microphonics is completely off-base. Perhaps I haven't any experience with tubes as expensive as you keep referencing, but I have handled and tested literally thousands. The idea that you can predict microphonics down to the brand, model and plate type is ludicrous. Maybe you can when they're $795 a pair. When they're less than $10 and were manufactured in the numbers these were - good luck with trying to predict some consistency. I've had tubes of the same type, same plate structure that ran the gamut of gently echoing when tapped to being impossible to even tolerate in a stable environment. Even so, the great majority of such tubes were dead silent - microphonics, after all, is a defect in an audio tube.
My aborted forays have nothing to do with this. Instead, it's about a business decision and the different choices one can take. Pete Millett did a similar design long ago. Jude mentioned it a ways back - the TTVJ Millett Hybrid Portable. Pete chose to try to weed out the microphonic tubes, but it became untenable from a business perspective and he quit making them. I talked to him personally about it. I suppose he could've chosen to continue it, dropped the price, and simply stated that the tubes were microphonic, but he didn't. It's interesting that Schiit apparently chose a different path. Maybe it'll work, but accepting microphonic tubes upfront just struck me as odd in the face of the tremendous recommendations read herein.
You say you're upfront with the negatives - but then you recommend tube microphonics and all the rest for $5000 headphones. I have nothing against the amp in the proper context and have often been amazed at Schiit's offerings and stated so in some of their threads. It's your incautious context that has me concerned.
I don't see what the big deal with a $120 amp being amazing is?!
Given the impressions of both the Geek and the Vali from RMAF, they are must buys for me. Heck, $120 for the Vali, $200 for the Geek @ current price (http://mustgeekout.com/), $5000-5500 for the Abyss, and you have one hell of a rig.
I'll be pairing both with my HD800s and Paradox while I evaluate whether or not to get the Abyss.
I always LOVE when companies put absolutely no REAL specifications on a product. 'Awesomifier' doesn't cut it bob. We need specs. At least the sample rate for the DAC...
I always LOVE when companies put absolutely no REAL specifications on a product. 'Awesomifier' doesn't cut it bob. We need specs. At least the sample rate for the DAC...