NEW - Campfire Comet and Atlas
May 3, 2018 at 12:06 PM Post #736 of 3,483
Hey guys, a couple of questions about the Atlas in comparison to the Vega.

- Does it have more bass than the Vega?
- Is it brighter or smoother than the Vega in the treble?
- Does the midrange sit slightly recessed compared to the bass and treble?
- Do the female vocals sound; i) fuller than neutral ii) neutral or iii) sharper than neutral?
 
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May 3, 2018 at 12:24 PM Post #737 of 3,483
What source are you running them on? Can they be used on an iPhone for example?
I have mostly been using them with my LG v30. I used them briefly with my fiio e10k USB amp/dac as well. Nothing crazy. I think it's safe to assume they would sound fine with a iPhone 6. These most likely have a high ceiling and scale well as the source increases in quality.
 
May 3, 2018 at 12:25 PM Post #738 of 3,483
I have mostly been using them with my LG v30. I used them briefly with my fiio e10k USB amp/dac as well. Nothing crazy. I think it's safe to assume they would sound fine with a iPhone 6. These most likely have a high ceiling and scale well as the source increases in quality.
Wow thanks. Going to sell my Sony ZX300 for sure!
 
May 3, 2018 at 12:43 PM Post #739 of 3,483
I'm new around here, but wanted to chime in and confirm what you are reading here about the Atlas is true. This is my 3rd pair of CA IEM's (Jupiter, Comet, Atlas in that order) and this is by far the most impressive set of anythings I have ever heard. Granted my experience with "high" end gear, or gear in this price range, is limited but I'll still offer up my initial reaction which was that my jaw dropped and I said quite literally "WOW". It's got so much texture at all levels of sound. The highs are clear, mid's punch, and the bass is surreal. I'm not doing it justice with this basic description, but I am seriously in awe of how capable these are. I have barely scratched the surface but am excited to listen to everything all over again just to "feel" the music again. Very impressive.

I'd be interested in knowing how these compare to something like the highly regarded Andromeda's for what it's worth. I know they are most likely going to be compared to the Vega's but I'd still be interested in someone briefly highlighting the differences for me. I have been toying with the idea of picking up Andromeda's for awhile and wonder what if anything they could offer that I wouldn't find in the Atlas if anyone who has heard both feels like sharing.

Like the Vega, Andromeda doesn’t compete with the Atlas either since their approach to sound are quite different. Both Atlas, Vega and Andromeda WOW me though. However, if you are not into fast but well textured bass, beautifully tuned mids with one of the best soundstage width you can find in an IEM (wish depth was too but Vega at Atlas are better in this regard) and soaring high trebles, Andromeda is going to disappoint you
 
May 3, 2018 at 12:46 PM Post #740 of 3,483
Like the Vega, Andromeda doesn’t compete with the Atlas either since their approach to sound are quite different. Both Atlas, Vega and Andromeda WOW me though. However, if you are not into fast but well textured bass, beautifully tuned mids with one of the best soundstage width you can find in an IEM (wish depth was too but Vega at Atlas are better in this regard) and soaring high trebles, Andromeda is going to disappoint you

The Andromeda is NOT by any stretch disappointing. If your focus for music is purely bass then get an Atlas, the Vega I found to be really v-shaped with too bright highs, great bass, but mediocre highs and poor, recessed mids
 
May 3, 2018 at 1:07 PM Post #741 of 3,483
Like the Vega, Andromeda doesn’t compete with the Atlas either since their approach to sound are quite different. Both Atlas, Vega and Andromeda WOW me though. However, if you are not into fast but well textured bass, beautifully tuned mids with one of the best soundstage width you can find in an IEM (wish depth was too but Vega at Atlas are better in this regard) and soaring high trebles, Andromeda is going to disappoint you

I am not specifically into bass heavy music, but I do like the bass to be present when it is called for. It is very song/genre dependent for me. This is one thing I appreciate about the Atlas, is that the music always has a visceral bite to it, you can almost always feel the instruments and music in your head. So the Jupiter's are pretty easy on the bass but a little too light for what I prefer, I have heard the Andromeda was a definite step up from the Jupiter in this regard.
 
May 3, 2018 at 4:26 PM Post #742 of 3,483
Perfection Atlas?

INTRO:
It takes about 5 seconds to realize that the Atlas was a labor of love for the Campfire team. This juggernaut is the culmination of their wealth of experience, trials, tribulations, user feedback, and technological discoveries. The Atlas doesn’t pull any punches, so take your blood pressure medication because there will be heart palpitations.

As with all things in audio, the whole doesn’t equal the sum of its parts. There will inevitably be comparisons to the Vega because they both utilize an A.D.L.C. dynamic driver (8.5mm vs. 10mm), but that would be selling the Atlas short based on what I’m hearing. I can concede that upon first listen this appears to be an incremental upgrade across the FR over the Vega, but I also know that some minor refinements in this hobby create the pricing chasms between competing products and can subjectively impact the overall enjoyment of the music. As I give the Atlas more listening over the next few weeks, I strongly suspect the Vega will be supplanted as my favorite dynamic driver IEM.

SIDE NOTE:
We are in the age of a headphone renaissance with so many manufacturers jumping at the opportunity to provide the best possible equipment at any given price point. Campfire Audio exemplifies this philosophy by infusing their Portland culture into marvelous metals, unique topologies, and original sound signatures. They stand out in a sea of homogenous me-too products. I could not be more grateful that Ken and Co. dropped the money on the roulette table and took that gamble to bring their products to market. It’s a great time to be alive!

DESIGN:
The Atlas and Comet are arguably the most visually striking models CA has conceptualized. It’s all in the small details. The hand polished stainless steel looks good even when mottled with fingerprints. Unlike the zirconium blasted aluminum shells of the BA models or the liquid metal alloy of the DD models, the Atlas and Comet have a matching finish 3D printed tip and applying/removing ear tips is quite effortless. The overall fit and finish looks and feels second to none.

The new silver cable is wound with a twist and purported to reduce tangling and microphonics. I can attest that it works exceptionally well. I’m certain CA sought to address this since the Atlas is designed to be worn down and that will inherently make any IEM more susceptible to microphonics.

COMFORT:
Comfort is going to depend on a few variables: ear tip type, ear tip size, and wear preference. Unlike the other CA offerings which are designed to be worn over ear, the Atlas is designed to be worn down. The closest comparison I’ve personally experienced with this design would be the IE 800 / IE 800 S. Spending the necessary time to get the fit just right will make or break the experience for some and I don’t want anyone to miss hearing what the Atlas can do.

There are three different types of ear tips: CA stock foam, CA silicone, and Final Audio E Series edge style. I recommend checking your prejudice for a specific type of ear tip and take the time to try each one in all available sizes. In addition, cinching the chin slider up high and using a shirt clip definitely improve the overall comfort.

Personal ear tip preference order:
  1. CA stock foam
  2. Final Audio E Series edge style
  3. CA silicone
I will admit that this one surprised me a little. I have smaller ear canals and typically always use the smallest size ear tip available; however, the smallest CA stock foam is always one size larger than the smallest of the other supplied ear tip types. This turned out to be a perfect match for me and effortlessly holds the Atlas in place without the need to adjust it two minutes later. It simply stays put and is super comfortable through some of my impromptu dance moves. I suspect the body heat from your ears allows the foam to expand as well and that contributes to keeping it in place.

The Final Audio Series edge style is made of silicone and has a thick ribbed stem for rigidity similar to the SpinFit tips. There are 5 different sizes available for this ear tip, so the experimentation options are endless and I actually preferred using two different sizes for the left and right. These ear tips render a slightly different sound compared to the CA stock foam, but I ultimately found myself adjusting it every few minutes as it slowly worked its way out of my ear.

The CA silicone is the only ear tip that is almost flush with the Atlas’s tip barrel and as a direct result means you will get a deeper insertion. I couldn’t get these to sit in place for me, regardless of the size. If you have experience with the IE 800 and had trouble with the fit, then this will be a similar affair.

The Atlas can definitely be worn over ear with success, but it’s not as comfortable or ergonomic as popping them straight in your ears.

INITIAL IMPRESSIONS:
Naturally I couldn’t wait to hear these straight out of the box and throw the burn-in caveats to the wind. I promised myself that I wouldn’t provide anything less than helpful impressions to potential listeners and curb the emotional commentary, but some promises were meant to be broken. I will be the first to admit that when I heard reports regarding sonic improvements across the FR versus the Vega, I winced a little. More isn’t always better. Better is better.

My initial impression of the Atlas in comparison to the venerable Vega after 10 hours of listening through my Hugo 2 is that it simply does everything better across the gamut. It could be the increase in driver size, the polarity tuned chamber, the new silver braided cable, but I can’t unhear these noticeable differences in detail, speed, texture, and nuance.

TREBLE:
The high frequencies cleave instrumental notes with aplomb while simultaneously supplying more detail. The timbre has increased to a degree I can only describe as liquid realism; the treble appears in the mix and decays fast enough to tickle my eardrum at times. I don’t want it to come across as hyperbole when I say it’s some of the finest treble I’ve ever heard, but it is beyond reproach on even the most sibilant of test tracks.

MIDS:
The mids have increased definition and stand more in the spotlight. They even manage to steal the show during complex passages with the other two frequencies in full effect. I’m hearing the male vocals as having more bite and rasp in the chest while female vocals are angelic and smooth, which is exactly how I like them.

BASS:
The bass to end all bass. The bass other bass wishes it could be. There are plenty of people who don’t enjoy a lot of bass and I was in that same camp years ago. I didn’t even know I liked bass this much until CA came along. I now subscribe to an old GM slogan: it’s not more than you need, it’s more than you’re used to. That being said, the bass is indeed larger in both scale and physicality than the Vega, but irrationally embodies more textural detail and impactful speed. These elemental improvements together create a unified, organic whole across a wider range of music genres. It’s also worth noting that the bass will inevitably settle down and become more refined with more hours of use.

SOUNDSTAGE:
This is a little more difficult to articulate, but the Atlas is more spacious and every frequency yields more delineated notes. The Atlas can at times feel like you’re drowning in a sea of detail and that renders moments of serious emotional engagement. It’s a good thing we’re all here to feel feelings because with the Atlas they will be felt.

I can’t say I’m speechless after writing down so many thoughts, but my heart is racing with excitement. The Atlas commands your attention from the very first listen and sets out to accomplish things that I didn’t think were possible with a dynamic driver: (a) treble with unmatched breadth and realism, (b) effortless and unencumbered mids, and (c) bass with speed, impact, and textural detail. CA further proves that you really can have it all.

snk8699,

Your take sir, is a super concentration distillation of the Atlas and yeah boiled it down into a super pure crystal rock :) No need to read any more reviews folks, you pretty much nailed it in a Cliff Notes fashion, very cool.

Its not my aim to make a IEM for everyone, its directed at a certain type if listener and a certain type of sound for a certain type of person. The Atlas is not going to be for everyone and I do not expect everyone to like it. If we were to try and make something that will be good for all this would be weak product across the board.

I dont think I could be more happy with the Atlas and honestly do not know how I am going to top this one, dang. The Andromeda is in a similar way, very difficult to engineer a better BA IEM, working on it but holy cow its tough. I would like to take credit for everything but Campfire is pretty much the perfect storm of beautiful brilliant super talented souls, our team, I can not speak highly enough. We here are super grateful for the Head-fi community, Jude and his team, all out loyal supporters and customers, thank you so much.

Rock on!

KB
 
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May 3, 2018 at 6:30 PM Post #743 of 3,483
I just joined the Atlas team... I haven't even heard it yet but I'm really looking forward to doing the review on this based on all of the comments I see.
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May 3, 2018 at 7:05 PM Post #746 of 3,483
Hi Ken!

It‘s really nice to see somebody so passionate like you in the heaphone world. I like what you wrote here, that it seems more important to you to produce a certain kind of emotional (and very personal) response than a neutral reference. I understand that very well because that is what me, personally, I am also looking for in earphones as a customer.

Can I ask you a question?
Recent CA products pronounce bass a lot more than CA producs a while ago. What is your personal opinion about that ongoing debate between „audiophiles“ about too much (or not enough?) bass?

Btw, the Fujiya festval was great and I especially enjoyed the CA booth!

Please keep on doing great work!

Yo Hanesu,

If the low frequencies are done right, tight, not bloated, and do not bleed into the mids its a very good thing. In addition to having the correct kind and amount of bass you have to have the correct kind and amount of high frequency that has sufficient extension (does not roll off early) with our excessive resonances. So everything has to be balanced, if you have this its ok to crank up the low end sensitivity, it will sound killer. But if your missing any of these elements your going to have some balance problems and everything kind of falls apart.

Thats my take on things with regard to bass, lots of bass is not a bad thing, you just have to check all the boxes across the FREQ.

There will be a set of people that will fall in love with the above and conversely a set of people that this will not be their jam, and that is totally cool. This other set of folks tend to be in the Andromeda camp, the Andromeda relatively flatter and more technically accurate with less sub bass energy.

Thats cool you were able to make it out to the show in Tokyo :wink:

Thanks for your post.

Ken
 
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May 3, 2018 at 7:09 PM Post #747 of 3,483
Perfection Atlas?

INTRO:
It takes about 5 seconds to realize that the Atlas was a labor of love for the Campfire team. This juggernaut is the culmination of their wealth of experience, trials, tribulations, user feedback, and technological discoveries. The Atlas doesn’t pull any punches, so take your blood pressure medication because there will be heart palpitations.

As with all things in audio, the whole doesn’t equal the sum of its parts. There will inevitably be comparisons to the Vega because they both utilize an A.D.L.C. dynamic driver (8.5mm vs. 10mm), but that would be selling the Atlas short based on what I’m hearing. I can concede that upon first listen this appears to be an incremental upgrade across the FR over the Vega, but I also know that some minor refinements in this hobby create the pricing chasms between competing products and can subjectively impact the overall enjoyment of the music. As I give the Atlas more listening over the next few weeks, I strongly suspect the Vega will be supplanted as my favorite dynamic driver IEM.

SIDE NOTE:
We are in the age of a headphone renaissance with so many manufacturers jumping at the opportunity to provide the best possible equipment at any given price point. Campfire Audio exemplifies this philosophy by infusing their Portland culture into marvelous metals, unique topologies, and original sound signatures. They stand out in a sea of homogenous me-too products. I could not be more grateful that Ken and Co. dropped the money on the roulette table and took that gamble to bring their products to market. It’s a great time to be alive!

DESIGN:
The Atlas and Comet are arguably the most visually striking models CA has conceptualized. It’s all in the small details. The hand polished stainless steel looks good even when mottled with fingerprints. Unlike the zirconium blasted aluminum shells of the BA models or the liquid metal alloy of the DD models, the Atlas and Comet have a matching finish 3D printed tip and applying/removing ear tips is quite effortless. The overall fit and finish looks and feels second to none.

The new silver cable is wound with a twist and purported to reduce tangling and microphonics. I can attest that it works exceptionally well. I’m certain CA sought to address this since the Atlas is designed to be worn down and that will inherently make any IEM more susceptible to microphonics.

COMFORT:
Comfort is going to depend on a few variables: ear tip type, ear tip size, and wear preference. Unlike the other CA offerings which are designed to be worn over ear, the Atlas is designed to be worn down. The closest comparison I’ve personally experienced with this design would be the IE 800 / IE 800 S. Spending the necessary time to get the fit just right will make or break the experience for some and I don’t want anyone to miss hearing what the Atlas can do.

There are three different types of ear tips: CA stock foam, CA silicone, and Final Audio E Series edge style. I recommend checking your prejudice for a specific type of ear tip and take the time to try each one in all available sizes. In addition, cinching the chin slider up high and using a shirt clip definitely improve the overall comfort.

Personal ear tip preference order:
  1. CA stock foam
  2. Final Audio E Series edge style
  3. CA silicone
I will admit that this one surprised me a little. I have smaller ear canals and typically always use the smallest size ear tip available; however, the smallest CA stock foam is always one size larger than the smallest of the other supplied ear tip types. This turned out to be a perfect match for me and effortlessly holds the Atlas in place without the need to adjust it two minutes later. It simply stays put and is super comfortable through some of my impromptu dance moves. I suspect the body heat from your ears allows the foam to expand as well and that contributes to keeping it in place.

The Final Audio Series edge style is made of silicone and has a thick ribbed stem for rigidity similar to the SpinFit tips. There are 5 different sizes available for this ear tip, so the experimentation options are endless and I actually preferred using two different sizes for the left and right. These ear tips render a slightly different sound compared to the CA stock foam, but I ultimately found myself adjusting it every few minutes as it slowly worked its way out of my ear.

The CA silicone is the only ear tip that is almost flush with the Atlas’s tip barrel and as a direct result means you will get a deeper insertion. I couldn’t get these to sit in place for me, regardless of the size. If you have experience with the IE 800 and had trouble with the fit, then this will be a similar affair.

The Atlas can definitely be worn over ear with success, but it’s not as comfortable or ergonomic as popping them straight in your ears.

INITIAL IMPRESSIONS:
Naturally I couldn’t wait to hear these straight out of the box and throw the burn-in caveats to the wind. I promised myself that I wouldn’t provide anything less than helpful impressions to potential listeners and curb the emotional commentary, but some promises were meant to be broken. I will be the first to admit that when I heard reports regarding sonic improvements across the FR versus the Vega, I winced a little. More isn’t always better. Better is better.

My initial impression of the Atlas in comparison to the venerable Vega after 10 hours of listening through my Hugo 2 is that it simply does everything better across the gamut. It could be the increase in driver size, the polarity tuned chamber, the new silver braided cable, but I can’t unhear these noticeable differences in detail, speed, texture, and nuance.

TREBLE:
The high frequencies cleave instrumental notes with aplomb while simultaneously supplying more detail. The timbre has increased to a degree I can only describe as liquid realism; the treble appears in the mix and decays fast enough to tickle my eardrum at times. I don’t want it to come across as hyperbole when I say it’s some of the finest treble I’ve ever heard, but it is beyond reproach on even the most sibilant of test tracks.

MIDS:
The mids have increased definition and stand more in the spotlight. They even manage to steal the show during complex passages with the other two frequencies in full effect. I’m hearing the male vocals as having more bite and rasp in the chest while female vocals are angelic and smooth, which is exactly how I like them.

BASS:
The bass to end all bass. The bass other bass wishes it could be. There are plenty of people who don’t enjoy a lot of bass and I was in that same camp years ago. I didn’t even know I liked bass this much until CA came along. I now subscribe to an old GM slogan: it’s not more than you need, it’s more than you’re used to. That being said, the bass is indeed larger in both scale and physicality than the Vega, but irrationally embodies more textural detail and impactful speed. These elemental improvements together create a unified, organic whole across a wider range of music genres. It’s also worth noting that the bass will inevitably settle down and become more refined with more hours of use.

SOUNDSTAGE:
This is a little more difficult to articulate, but the Atlas is more spacious and every frequency yields more delineated notes. The Atlas can at times feel like you’re drowning in a sea of detail and that renders moments of serious emotional engagement. It’s a good thing we’re all here to feel feelings because with the Atlas they will be felt.

I can’t say I’m speechless after writing down so many thoughts, but my heart is racing with excitement. The Atlas commands your attention from the very first listen and sets out to accomplish things that I didn’t think were possible with a dynamic driver: (a) treble with unmatched breadth and realism, (b) effortless and unencumbered mids, and (c) bass with speed, impact, and textural detail. CA further proves that you really can have it all.
Sir, just a stellar job of penning your initial thoughts and feelings....great job!
 
May 3, 2018 at 7:28 PM Post #749 of 3,483
If I remember correctly you own and like the IE800s, so I would be interested in your take on these two. Cheers
You are correct and I will be happy to do that...need to experiment with tips and allow my head some adjustment time, then I will A/B for you
 

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