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Hi sardar17, Sorry to hear about your experience with the Coppers. Yeah, I saw your earlier comment about how you thought they were a pile of shyte
I think there are a few possible explanations for the vast, vast differences in our experiences:
1) They really are shyte.
2) You picked up a pair of fakes.
3) You picked up a genuine pair, but it had a defect.
4) Foam/silicon tips.
I have no affiliation with Monster and am equally disgusted by their U-turn on a promised lifetime warranty. However, I guarantee 1) is not the explanation.
The Coppers I've owned compare extremely well with SE846 and JH Laylas, which are both far above the $200 price point.
The frankly unbelievable price you paid for your Coppers suggests 2) is a very strong possibility. The market is plagued with fakes, some of which look very authentic.
Some fakes don't even sound that bad. I'm not sure I can even tell you how to check definitively. Some of the later fakes are very good copies. (This alone is probably
a good reason to steer clear and maybe why Monster gave up on them?) But let's say, by whatever means, you're able to convince yourself you have a genuine pair.
Option 3) is a very real possibility too. I can't count how many pairs of Turbines I've been through over the years (regular, Gold and Copper) and at least 50% had some issue, including:
driver flex (some of which caused no other impact to the sound; some of which did), ControlTalk units not functioning properly, earbuds separating, and (in one pair of regular Turbines, which to this day, I believe are genuine, but who knows?), inexplicable distortion. Again, this can be a good reason to steer clear. QC isn't/wasn't good enough to guarantee a properly-working pair of headphones.
That brings me to point 4. You said the only good thing about them was the isolation. I'd have to disagree. When listening to them the way the Monster engineers intended (preferably with gel supertips), the isolation is really not all that good. The SE846 with Comply foam is far better at isolating on account of the long narrow posts and deeper seal. The SE846 sounds great with Comply foam, but you do NOT want to use foam tips, or even well-sealing silicon tips with Monster Turbines. Anything that gives a tight, well-isolating seal tends to darken their sound and accentuate the bass too much. A few years ago, I had several back-and-forth emails with the engineers at Monster about this (because I wanted better isolation) and eventually agreed 100% with their position. The Coppers sound best with the original (spherical - the later oval-shaped tips were a disaster) gel supertips. I never use my Coppers in noisy environments where I need good isolation.
I still have 2 pairs of Coppers left, both of which sound absolutely fantastic if used in a quiet environment. I won't ever be selling them. When they die, I really don't know what I'd replace them with. They really are that good.
I think there are a few possible explanations for the vast, vast differences in our experiences:
1) They really are shyte.
2) You picked up a pair of fakes.
3) You picked up a genuine pair, but it had a defect.
4) Foam/silicon tips.
I have no affiliation with Monster and am equally disgusted by their U-turn on a promised lifetime warranty. However, I guarantee 1) is not the explanation.
The Coppers I've owned compare extremely well with SE846 and JH Laylas, which are both far above the $200 price point.
The frankly unbelievable price you paid for your Coppers suggests 2) is a very strong possibility. The market is plagued with fakes, some of which look very authentic.
Some fakes don't even sound that bad. I'm not sure I can even tell you how to check definitively. Some of the later fakes are very good copies. (This alone is probably
a good reason to steer clear and maybe why Monster gave up on them?) But let's say, by whatever means, you're able to convince yourself you have a genuine pair.
Option 3) is a very real possibility too. I can't count how many pairs of Turbines I've been through over the years (regular, Gold and Copper) and at least 50% had some issue, including:
driver flex (some of which caused no other impact to the sound; some of which did), ControlTalk units not functioning properly, earbuds separating, and (in one pair of regular Turbines, which to this day, I believe are genuine, but who knows?), inexplicable distortion. Again, this can be a good reason to steer clear. QC isn't/wasn't good enough to guarantee a properly-working pair of headphones.
That brings me to point 4. You said the only good thing about them was the isolation. I'd have to disagree. When listening to them the way the Monster engineers intended (preferably with gel supertips), the isolation is really not all that good. The SE846 with Comply foam is far better at isolating on account of the long narrow posts and deeper seal. The SE846 sounds great with Comply foam, but you do NOT want to use foam tips, or even well-sealing silicon tips with Monster Turbines. Anything that gives a tight, well-isolating seal tends to darken their sound and accentuate the bass too much. A few years ago, I had several back-and-forth emails with the engineers at Monster about this (because I wanted better isolation) and eventually agreed 100% with their position. The Coppers sound best with the original (spherical - the later oval-shaped tips were a disaster) gel supertips. I never use my Coppers in noisy environments where I need good isolation.
I still have 2 pairs of Coppers left, both of which sound absolutely fantastic if used in a quiet environment. I won't ever be selling them. When they die, I really don't know what I'd replace them with. They really are that good.