[SomeTechNoob]

25 microns is pretty overkill lol. 50 microns would have probably been enough. Guess you'll have some super nice grilles then haha.

 

[youngarthur]

Woot. My 3dHubs grill order just shipped. Super easy to order, was able to specify 25micron for only a couple of bucks more. Going to just start with the grill and see if that gets me what I me looking for. Maybe do Fazor mod later on.

Have you got a link, where to order these grills?.

 

[Kulgrinda]

I'm curious if anybody has done fuzzor mod and then changed over to fazor? Reason I'm asking is because I'm curious what the sound differences are as a direct comparison of fuzzor vs. fazor.

Also, is there anybody put ZMF Suede pads on these yet? Mine have been ordered and I'm hoping they work as well as Vegans did for others.

In theory fazors should be more precise in bending sound waves as this is the main reason for this mod to my understanding. It would be very difficult to cut felt peaces in exactly the same size and stick them equally aligned on both sides. Currently I have back side fazors+honeycomb grills, removed foam inserts and felt (fuzzor?) mod on the driver side. Today I'm hoping to pick last printed parts for the driver side and will swap felt with fazor. But I doubt it will make a huge difference, I like sound as it is already. Ordered material for new cable, will do it in upcoming weeks. That will make a bigger change that a new grill

 

[Hazi59]

In theory fazors should be more precise in bending sound waves as this is the main reason for this mod to my understanding. It would be very difficult to cut felt peaces in exactly the same size and stick them equally aligned on both sides. Currently I have back side fazors+honeycomb grills, removed foam inserts and felt (fuzzor?) mod on the driver side. Today I'm hoping to pick last printed parts for the driver side and will swap felt with fazor. But I doubt it will make a huge difference, I like sound as it is already. Ordered material for new cable, will do it in upcoming weeks. That will make a bigger change that a new grill

To be clear, I have already done the fuzzor mod + paper towel...but my fazors arrive today, so I will be switching over. After 2 months with the fuzzor mod, I am looking forward to seeing what/if any differences are there. The paper towel added did help with the tunnel like cavernous sound and it helped boost the treble to a tasteful amount. I have ZMF Suede pads arriving as well as I couldn't get the Audeze Vegans. In addition to that, I have a couple of different types of foams and thicknesses arriving later next week.

The stock sound wasn't horrible and my pair had a very small amount of ringing...so I consider myself lucky. But what does bother me about these headphones the most is the rear damping foam. It creates this cavernous and hollow like sound that I have never experienced on any other headphones (even cheap closed cans). That sound exists no matter what ear pads I have swapped on the headphones. At the moment, I have the ZMF Ori Pads on as the other 14 pairs of different pads didn't sound that great. I am hoping that the different foams I have coming will fix this issue. Taking the foam out got rid of the hollow sound obviously, but it then created a loss of control and the treble became nightmarish. We shall see as I don't want to give up on these cans yet...

 

[bjaardker]

Have you got a link, where to order these grills?.

You just need to download vracer's .stl file from thingiverse: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2492054

Then go to 3dHubs and upload that file as the design you would like them to make.

25 microns is pretty overkill lol. 50 microns would have probably been enough. Guess you'll have some super nice grilles then haha.

Agreed, but it was almost the same cost as the 50 micron, and I figred at 25 I wouldn't need to go with the vapor smoothing.

 

[rgmffn]

Woot. My 3dHubs grill order just shipped. Super easy to order, was able to specify 25micron for only a couple of bucks more. Going to just start with the grill and see if that gets me what I me looking for. Maybe do Fazor mod later on.

What material should I, did you get? This is all new to me. Thanks

 

[AnotherN00b]

I've had mine since X-Mas and I do hear shrillness on certain songs that I am guessing comes from reflections off the metal grill primarily and possibly the ear-side surfaces to a lesser extent. I know DMS found that removing the metal grills had the biggest impact on reducing the 5k peak in his measurements. So I'm ready to try some basic inexpensive mods starting with replacing the metal grills and probably the fuzzer mod as well. A couple questions on this:

1. If I am ordering the VRacer grills from a 3D printer (like 3dHubs), will PLA or ABS be sufficient, and which would be better? (At this point I can't see spending another $50+ dollars for the resin option unless other options won't work for some reason).
2. Is the paper-towel mod still recommended with new grills or was that specifically for the stock grills (I imagine it would help reduce the metallic reflections I think I might be hearing)?
3. Has anyone who has tried the Fuzzor and Fazor mods found one to be better at taming the "ringing" and/or upper-mid shrillness? I think some found the Fuzzor mod better for that while the Fazor mod added clarity and soundstage?

Thanks for any advice on this!!!

 

[SomeTechNoob]

I've had mine since X-Mas and I do hear shrillness on certain songs that I am guessing comes from reflections off the metal grill primarily and possibly the ear-side surfaces to a lesser extent. I know DMS found that removing the metal grills had the biggest impact on reducing the 5k peak in his measurements. So I'm ready to try some basic inexpensive mods starting with replacing the metal grills and probably the fuzzer mod as well. A couple questions on this:

1. If I am ordering the VRacer grills from a 3D printer (like 3dHubs), will PLA or ABS be sufficient, and which would be better? (At this point I can't see spending another $50+ dollars for the resin option unless other options won't work for some reason).
2. Is the paper-towel mod still recommended with new grills or was that specifically for the stock grills (I imagine it would help reduce the metallic reflections I think I might be hearing)?
3. Has anyone who has tried the Fuzzor and Fazor mods found one to be better at taming the "ringing" and/or upper-mid shrillness? I think some found the Fuzzor mod better for that while the Fazor mod added clarity and soundstage?

Thanks for any advice on this!!!

PLA should be good enough unless you like leaving your headphones in direct sunlight. All the ones I print are in PLA and I don't think there have been any issues.

 

[AnotherN00b]

PLA should be good enough unless you like leaving your headphones in direct sunlight. All the ones I print are in PLA and I don't think there have been any issues.

Awesome! Are you still taking orders for the vRacer grills? If so, let me know how to place an order -- I'd prefer to give you my business!

 

[youngarthur]

Awesome! Are you still taking orders for the vRacer grills? If so, let me know how to place an order -- I'd prefer to give you my business!

Add me to the list please.

 

[SomeTechNoob]

Add me to the list please.

Awesome! Are you still taking orders for the vRacer grills? If so, let me know how to place an order -- I'd prefer to give you my business!

Just send me a PM! All pricing information can be found at the link in my signature. They are listed as Grille-B there.

 

[VRacer-111]

I've had mine since X-Mas and I do hear shrillness on certain songs that I am guessing comes from reflections off the metal grill primarily and possibly the ear-side surfaces to a lesser extent. I know DMS found that removing the metal grills had the biggest impact on reducing the 5k peak in his measurements. So I'm ready to try some basic inexpensive mods starting with replacing the metal grills and probably the fuzzer mod as well. A couple questions on this:

1. If I am ordering the VRacer grills from a 3D printer (like 3dHubs), will PLA or ABS be sufficient, and which would be better? (At this point I can't see spending another $50+ dollars for the resin option unless other options won't work for some reason).
2. Is the paper-towel mod still recommended with new grills or was that specifically for the stock grills (I imagine it would help reduce the metallic reflections I think I might be hearing)?
3. Has anyone who has tried the Fuzzor and Fazor mods found one to be better at taming the "ringing" and/or upper-mid shrillness? I think some found the Fuzzor mod better for that while the Fazor mod added clarity and soundstage?

Thanks for any advice on this!!!

PLA is all I've used to print them since designing them... it's resilient and good enough with heat resistance as long as you keep it under 140°F, ABS will take more heat 176°F... once you get above those temperatures is when you will start losing strength of the material. I will say the woodfill PLA is a pain to print and work with, an interesting look though...

I'm about to mod my printer so I can use tougher materials without any issue though... would like to start printing with carbon fiber embedded materials. MatterHackers NylonX is rated at up to a 302 degree operational temp...

I believe the paper towel is to help with bass/mids, no matter the grille...like changing the density of the foam.

 

[Kulgrinda]

So I managed to mount driver side fazors yesterday. And I can say this is a very recommended mod. I have HD800 for comparison so prior this mod there was a big difference switching back to M1060 in resolution, imaging, clarity. After this mod I cannot say that the difference is so great. Don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing HD800 to M1060, they are both very different. This mod gave a much better imaging. Instrument separation was ok prior it as well, but right now I can tell with better accuracy where it is placed. Sound is less muffled, clearer. Below are several images of the process and the result. I really enjoy the huge, 3D sound coming from these headphones, I'm keeping them But still I cannot listen to classical music with those, something is missing. The same experience was with Hifiman Edition X, maybe this is a planar-thing. Or my preference.

Ps. I do not seem to be able to upload images. Nor as attachments, nor as online (dropbox) links.

 

[SomeTechNoob]

So I managed to mount driver side fazors yesterday. And I can say this is a very recommended mod. I have HD800 for comparison so prior this mod there was a big difference switching back to M1060 in resolution, imaging, clarity. After this mod I cannot say that the difference is so great. Don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing HD800 to M1060, they are both very different. This mod gave a much better imaging. Instrument separation was ok prior it as well, but right now I can tell with better accuracy where it is placed. Sound is less muffled, clearer. Below are several images of the process and the result. I really enjoy the huge, 3D sound coming from these headphones, I'm keeping them But still I cannot listen to classical music with those, something is missing. The same experience was with Hifiman Edition X, maybe this is a planar-thing. Or my preference.

Ps. I do not seem to be able to upload images. Nor as attachments, nor as online (dropbox) links.

got your images for u

 

[Hazi59]

So some first impressions of the swap from fuzzor to fazor...the hollow cavernous sound has been cleared up greatly. Today I receive the ZMF Suede pads, so once I mount those, I will give my 1st impressions of the sound. I am hoping that with the damping foam I am receiving next week, that this will be the finishing touches needed to make these cans listenable to me.